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If you want to "take far more control of your MAC" just run "console" and you have all Unix commands under you fingers [:@]
I absolutely agree with this too, with the money I saved by not buying into the Mac thing, I bought the complete VSL Super Package, and my £1500 PC works flawlessly with unnoticeable low latency and plays any score I throw at it (and I use big full orchestrations all through MIR). And at times I have Sibelius running in the background with it's memory hungry library running too.
No fancy raid set up, no SSD, just a cost effective Win 7 PC that allows me to get on with my music.
@Errikos said:
That was my problem with all the "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" advertisements. Apple attempted to present itself as the (un)cool, unshaven messy teenager dressed in dregs, basically being the typical young turd whose whole preoccupation is iLife, and whose total lack of aesthetics is deliberately flaunted all over his body-language and attire. Who are they trying to kid? (morons obviously). Apple has always been all about aestheticism - many times sacrificing substance for it - and their guy should appear in those commercials draped in Armani, Gucci, Vacheron, and Bausch. It is the PC that should be looking like the derelict, made up of disparate apparel/parts etc., as in real life.
Exactly. And this is the way I talk about computers. I don't get into parts of a a computer and tweaking this or sticking my finger into something just to see if I get electrocuted. For 10 years now, you still get this slightly ridiculous nonsense about sample libraries juxtaposed with computers. What a load of crap!
By now, you should be able to just plug sample libraries in and they should just work well. Period. Who care HOW they work - as long as they work. My experience of people that spend inordinate amounts of time talking about computers is generally - they are crap musicians. Total crap. If they spent as much time practising their scales as they did talking about computers they'd be brilliant . It's no big deal - they just got their hobbies mixed up.
Anyway - Lightroom 4 just came out. Oh wow! I'm so nervous. Will my computer have a problem? Is there enough gigabums? Oh what will I do if there's a problem etc etcetc etc.
I love PaulRs descriptions of various people he encounters.
Since I like to tinker things together I tend to gravitate toward PCs which allow you to stick one device into another at the least expense though you are not being cool like a Mac. It costs money to be cool so I am uncool.
My current PC has two extra hard drives that I made cardboard holders for because I didn't want to buy the fixtures. I did paint them black though, so they would be a bit more cool.
Beautifully put, William!
@William said:
I love PaulRs descriptions of various people he encounters.
Since I like to tinker things together I tend to gravitate toward PCs which allow you to stick one device into another at the least expense though you are not being cool like a Mac. It costs money to be cool so I am uncool.
My current PC has two extra hard drives that I made cardboard holders for because I didn't want to buy the fixtures. I did paint them black though, so they would be a bit more cool.
@Errikos said:
P.S.: I have to totally agree with Paul though regarding Apple employees in the stores and the telephone support has been completely unacceptable in my few experiences with expensive Applecare: A Paki answering the phone from the other side of the universe with absolutely no english beyond "Can I help you?", taking 5 minutes to write down my serial numbers successfully (on my long-distance support call!), not being able to help me at all(!) for what I considered basic support enquiries, both because he was incompetent AND due to non-existent english, and worst of all, trying repeatedly to sell me advertising (on my long-distance support call!!!). Apple do have a lot to answer for hiring the cheapest common denominator to serve (sic) its customers. It says a lot about their regard for us...
when was that, where do you leave ?
In France the people that are ansewring are French and it is a free call since a few years, you can alose ask to support in english
The 1 st level of answer is for basic problems
the 2nd level is for major problems
Apple called back some video cards a few years ago, they send a technician at home to replace it !!
One of my old Macpro was making a chearpy noice, they send a technician at home to fix it !!
APPLE is said to have one of the best support !
read this : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-customer-satisfaction-for-8th-year/
Once again, the company ranks first among PC makers, receiving a score of 87 out of 100 in the American Customer Satisfaction Index. HP follows in second place.
@andyjh said:
I absolutely agree with this too, with the money I saved by not buying into the Mac thing, I bought the complete VSL Super Package, and my £1500 PC works flawlessly with unnoticeable low latency and plays any score I throw at it (and I use big full orchestrations all through MIR). And at times I have Sibelius running in the background with it's memory hungry library running too.
No fancy raid set up, no SSD, just a cost effective Win 7 PC that allows me to get on with my music.
what do you have in your PC ? you cannot pay a PC at 1500 pounds when 2 Xeon processors cost from Intel 3000 $ (1500 $ each)
What do you have in your PC ?
To compare MAC and PC you have to compare MAC and PC SERVERS, because none of the PC at HP or at DELL have XEON processors
The only way to compare two computer is to compare their performance not necessarily what they have in them.
My PC has an 8 core i7, with 24Gb of triple DDR3 memory, with three Western Digital Cavier black drives (6TB), silent cooling fans and running a pair of 1920 x1200 monitors. With this I run upto 3 instances of VE Pro, with typically around 20 to 30 libraries, mainly VSL, some EW and Kontakt and BFD as well, most of my VSL instances have 9 to 12 articulations loaded ready to go - and it all runs together (all through MIR as well), and not only that, but I often have Sibelius loaded as well with it's memory hungry library (and that has Vienna Convolution reverb running as well)..
It has never ran out of memory or glitched at all, it is ran as a slave PC, my other PC runs Cubase via VE Pro. So this PC is more than powerful enough to run anything I throw at it, and I do use big full very active orchestrations.
You don't need Xeon processors, SSD drives, use RAID configs, or waste money on Macs (or branded PC's) to have a very powerfull flawless computer. My working PC is proof of that.
You cannot compare a PC with an I7 and with 2 x 6 core Xeon.
Give your adress I wil send you a file to test With MIR in 7.1
I bet a beer that you cannot play and bounce this song on a single i7
I forgot to say, I run on my two Xeon 12 core 64 GB : Logic with 1 omnisphere and 2 K4 + one VE that has 97 VI + 3 input with MIR in 7.1
All VI are loaded with preset level 2 !!
I do not use my 8 core !
Astro, you will find that ADK support is excellent, and will work with you to make sure a problem is fixed should one occur. I have used them for a number of years, and they are a great company.
For me, it has been very worthwhile to pay a bit more for their expertise rather than buy a generic PC box or a computer from that company with a logo of a fruit with a bite taken out of it. I recently did something by accident to mess up my VSL setup, and ADK helped me to get back up and running again. That specific type of support is not something Dell, HP, Apple, or any other generic computer maker offers.
@noldar12 said:
I recently did something by accident to mess up my VSL setup, and ADK helped me to get back up and running again. That specific type of support is not something Dell, HP, Apple, or any other generic computer maker offers.
If you have a VSL problem, you are getting very good support from VSL.
If you mess up something in VSL, on Mac you just need to re-install VE and VI !!!
You cannot compare a PC with an I7 and with 2 x 6 core Xeon.
Give your adress I wil send you a file to test With MIR in 7.1
I bet a beer that you cannot play and bounce this song on a single i7
Yes you can compare these two system, because my system works absolutely perfectly with all my full orchestra arrangements, it is widely known and accepted that Macs do not deal with assigning cores as well as PC's do, Macs do not run Cubase very well, some companies like East West even go as far as to suggest Macs are not suitable for some of their libraries, and I believe it has been stated on this forurm that PC's handle VE Pro better as well.
It's time to face reality Cyril, OSX just doesn't make use of it's hardware well, and in the real world of using music based software, a PC is so much more effective, both in terms of performance and cost.
I don't particularily like Microsoft, and I don't think any company should own the majority of the worlds operating systems, but until something can challenge it (be it OSX or Unix), a windows 7 PC is the most logical decision.
@PaulR said:
Hey - just had a thought!
Do any of you guys carry a gun?
Let's hope not. The Mac vs PC denates always gets ugly and I tend to fear one side more than the other! 😊
Mike
The bottom line here seems to be that PCs have become every bit as strong and reliable as Macs, but cost a lot less and, due to the fact that you can do many upgrades your self, they have a far longer "planned obsolescence" period. In my estimation, the PC wins the game. I believe Apple will win in the "cool gadget" game, but computers become very personal, just like an instrument, to composers. One size does NOT fit all.
Mike
You cannot compare a PC with an I7 and with 2 x 6 core Xeon.
Give your adress I wil send you a file to test With MIR in 7.1
I bet a beer that you cannot play and bounce this song on a single i7
Yes you can compare these two system,
You dont know what you are talking about !!!! you are just talking rubbish !!
Go on the Intel site to see the difference between a I7 and a XEON !!!
You have a very little template, mine is 97 VI loaded with Level II preset + 3 inputs and I use MIR PRO 7.1 and I only use 59 % of CPU load
Give me your email I will send you the midi file,
The bottom line here seems to be that PCs have become every bit as strong and reliable as Macs, but cost a lot less
NO READ BEFORE YOU CANNOT COMPARE A I7 to a XEON processor, XEON proc are costing 1500 $ each and in a Macpro 12 core there are 2
