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Thanks mboc for all the info. Here goes a dumb question..... How can you see if 4 gigs of RAM is enough? Where can I see the activity and usage on a PC. Is it inside the VE-5 program bottom right? How can I tell if I need more RAM. The PC is a Creation Station from Sweetwater Sound so I am sure the drives are correct. Adding RAM,I believe is easy, at least it is on a MAC. What would be a healthy amount of RAM for normal to high useage of VE-5 ? Thanks again for all the info.
Mike
It's simple...task manager...performance tab--shows ram usage.
You don't really mention your OS specifics...4gb if 32bit may not even be being utilized. More accurately--it is NOT all being utilized--the only question is to what degree. The max I was able to squeeze out for a user mode app was about 2.8gb in 32bit Windows--and that was with customization to make that happen.
You're not running out of CPU unless maybe you have the buffers set to 32samples or something. My full string arrangements with impulse verbs, etc, don't eat 25% of my c2quad at 128 sample buffer. I Ran the original VI for years on a single core P4/4gb machine. VSL OS not CPU intensive. Now, of you're opening play or Kontakt4 libs in VE, that changes.
What you want to do it to be looking at task manager in real time while you have the arrangement playing back. Do you see CPU(s) spiking? If you're out of ram, that will certainly cause it...but, that's easier to determine than fix if 32bit OS.
Mike
@delaplanemusic said:
In VEP Pref's you should probably also check "open instances minimized on load". This will only load the samples you are using within a given sequence, so that you aren't chewing up your ram with a bunch of samples you aren't using. Hope this helps...
Actually, this option will just minimize (hide) the instance windows. It has no effect on the amount of loaded samples.
Well, I have checked the buffers which were at 2, and the VI set at 512. I have also minimized the load... still once I go past 5 channels or instruments I start to hear crackles. Now the task manager shows 2.22 RAM and sometimes higher. The CPU load is around 27%. .... It's got to be the RAM. I still think 4 gig is way too small. I have ordered 8 more gigs which will total 12 and I am updating to Windows 7 , 64 bit mode. Again, thanks to all for the knowledgeable support. I'll add the RAM, update, and next week I'll let everyone know if this helps.
I'm sorry...I should have specified to look at the threads in TM of VEP and total that ram. Unless your machine has been configured with the /3gb switch, it will only allow user mode access up to 2gb...considering there can be some overhead for startup cpls and such, if the VEP is APPROACHING 2gb, you will run into trouble. You can google the 3gb switch for xp and up that to 3gb for user mode, which I had set for years...it meant I got about 2.7gb of cubase sample ram. That old machine had Gigastudio, which uses kernel mode ram, so I could load more on top of that, but using vsl and others insider cubase got unstable after about the 2.7 range. That still a bunch of articulations, though. I could load cello/viola/violin of my solo and chamber strings-perfect legato and the various articulation single note patches. I mean, I guess that's only "6 instruments"...but, that's fairly full articulation loads. Then I'd optimize via the VI GUI once the part was there...
Thanks popmann for the reply. It does seem like a RAM problem. I'm only at the "patch" in VI.. only a few articulations. ... no matrix involved. and it just can't handle more then 6 or 7 inst. I'm a MAC man but I can move around Vista. The PC is a Sweetwater creation Station. It's got a Asus P5QL PRO Motherboard. The MAX for that board is 16 RAM at 64 bit but I need to do a clean install with Windows 7. I purchased Windows 7 and 8 gigs of RAM. I think 12 should be enough. Now I hope that this will show up in task manager. From what you are telling me ... How can I make sure that the RAM is being used the right way. Is there something I need to "tweak"... or was that just for 32 bit usage..... Is there anything I should "tweak" or check on once I update to 7... Yes.. I will back up my projects.. I will assume I will just download VEP and VE5 since I have the incenses. Any tips? Thanks again for all your expert advice...
There's nothing to tweak for ram usesge on a 64bit OS. Fwiw. I have 8gb and have never been able to max it out. Bfd2 huge drum kit...Scarbee pianos and mojo horns in Kontakt...PLAY engine QLSO gold...individual VIP2...and also, fwiw, if you buy VIPro2 (and you should-world of diff)...and put the VSL samples on a solid state drive, you can reduce the amount buffered into ram significantly--meaning you need even less ram. And, well--it should load a lot faster.
Anyway, you should do 9 or 12 if the machine is triple channel. My old c2q is 8gb max-dual channel. Ram is so cheap, it's no longer really a big deal to get more than you need.
Thanks popmann... another question...
Will my VEP-5 projects (sessions) load back into VEP5. I am concerned because all of the projects have a (32bit) tag on the end. Now I will be running in 64 bit. Will these session be able to load? Does it matter 32 or 64 on the MAC when I call up the server.... Do I need to convert these session to 64? in so... how...
