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  • Bosendorfer ... very quiet instrument

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    D

    Hi

    Just bought the Bosendorfer ... lovely sound, but very very quiet instrument when compared to other piano libraries.

    is it just me?

    thanks
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Hi,

    Thanks for the positive comment!

    The default volume of the Vienna Imperial player is at -6 dB by default to avoid the possibilities of overloading the output of your soundcard. Maybe this is what makes you wonder.

    Apart form that: Unlike any other piano library, Vienna Imperial offers 100 individual velocity-samples _per key_, so we are not afraid to show how wonderful this instuments sounds when played soft. ;-)

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP
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    last edited

    Hi Drew,

    Just checked your registrations and couldn´t find any registered VI Collections....

    Did you actually purchase the newer Vienna Imperial (with 100 velocities and a dedicated GUI, that Dietz is referring to), or its predecessor, the Bosendorfer Imperial, that works with the original Vienna Instruments?

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
  • D
    D

    (Huh?   I own "boatloads" of your stuff ... all properly registered ... under this this log-in  ... I could buy new Mercedez for the amount of money I've spent with you)

    I am referring in this instance to the first piano library ... the inexpesnive one.

    So the output on this is deliberately set lower than other libraries. Is this set in the instrument or is it in the samples?

    Thanks

    Andrew
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi drew buchan, 

    My bad, sorry about that. 

    The output is set lower so that the instrument doesn´t clip when triggering multiple keys (which is more likely on a piano than on any orchestral instrument). 

    Best, 

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
  • C
    C

    Paul,

    You say too much or not enough. I just get this Bosendorfer, and indeed it plays too low.

    -6 Db you say? I find it strange that decision, especially without information. But anyway, what you advise? With other intruments, as he plays muted.

    What is the best way to catch up 6 db, say in PRO instrument?

    The 6 db is equal to how many on the scale "midi" 0-127? Is this need to increase?

    Please give some advice. For it is not just a question of volume, no doubt. Do not induce an artificial attack to correct a care.
  • J
    J

    I own the original Bosendorfer too and I used to just normalize the output on my DAW (Sonar) but fortissimo would clip.  I don't know, I find the harder played notes a bit too harsh on my ears anyway when used in ensemble work.  It tended to overpower the entire orchestra.  If you are playing solo work you could normalize the track after you record it then put a limiter on it.  I guess it depends on how you use it.   
  • C
    C

    That's what I say. Standardize, of course, is a bad thing in this case because it compensates for a weak abnormal. Expect the response of Vienna. I do not think we are the first to say, or alone. It is impossible. The Bosendorfer must play a set without sounding boosted.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hello Claude Marc, 

    As I said, a piano is a very dynamic instrument that is traditionally played multi-timbral. The more notes you play, the higher the output. Try the same with forte flutes or strings, they will also clip. 

    In a mix, one essential aspect is to find the right balance between the instruments you used. Each instrument is recorded and edited in an optimal way, and you can boost it excessively, even when playing pianissimo (due to the very low noise floor). 

    Best, 

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    C

    Hello Paul,

    Sometimes I play on a real 9-foot Bosendorfer very new and I have two solo cd on a large Steinway concert in Hamburg, in a concert hall quality. When I do demos, or even when I integrate virtual piano sounds in my hybrid compositions (virtual-acoustic set), I have this reference in the ear. Vienna has the most realistic recordings of the world. Very traditional in approach, for the ears clean. Really means what needs to be heard. We therefore call perfection! I will try to adjust the mix with approximately +6 db. We'll see.

    Best,

    cm.