Hi Tralen,

thanks kindly for the link!

best,

Steve [:D]

@Steve Martin said:

Hi to the forum,

just read on another site how some people feel it is not a good thing to mix with headphones for various reasons.

I'm not in a position to mix with stereo monitors due to my close proximity where I live, to others. I have thought that mixing headphones - amd some different names/brands have been recommended to me.

Is there anyone here who mixes with headphones, and still gets a result they are happy with when they listen through monitors?

If that is so, can you please let me know the brand of headphone you are using for this?

thanks for any help with this,

best regards,

Steve.

Hi Steve,

this new gadget might be of interest to you: Focusrite VRM Box.

I've just read an online article about it (which I suppose won't be of use to you, being in German). This functions as a kind of monitor emulator for the headphones and should be able to at least partly compensate for headphones localization issues.

Hi Goran,

thanks so much for the information about this!

best,

Steve [:D]

I have used Sennheiser HD600 for about a year now and am pleased with the results. They are a bit pricey, but probably worth it. 

Regards, 

Stephen W. Beatty

Hi Stephen,

thanks for that info. I will check these out.

best,

Steve [:D]

Hi Steve, 

I guess I have been using the HD 600's since 2008 and they have been satisfactory. 

However, a couple of days ago I bought the Seinheiser HD800 after reading some favorable reviews. These headphones blow away anything I have ever used. They are  expensive but they deliver. The bass is accurate and the mixes sparkle beyond belief with these headphones. I think these really could replace studio monitors.

Regards,

Stephen W. Beatty 

Hi Stephen,

thanks for the information about the Seinheiser HD800's. It looks like the manufacturer's are creating good headphones as there are a lot of positive comments of how good some of these are.

I suppose, even though they are expensive, it's good to have a pair that the music sounds great in, as it will make the mixing experience that much more enjoyable.

Thanks again for sharing the information about this brand Stephen.

best,

Steve[:D]

Hi there,

In my honest opinion do not be fooled by the notion that you *can* mix with headphones: you can't. I have an excellent pair of Sennheiser headphones that I bought for $500 in 2002, and although they are excellent for certain work, when it comes to mixing you simply cannot do it without at least relatively decent monitors in a relatively well treated room. It's well noted that in many cases the acoustic treatment of the room is more important an expenditure than the monitors. $20,000 in an untreated room is not nearly as good as $2,500 monitors in a well treated room.

In my opinion you should not buy headphones for mixing and instead buy sound treatment products instead. 

These are two companies I think are good:

Real Traps and Ready Acoustics. I'm not a fan of auralex products, for bass treatment I find them expensive (and bass treatment is the most important part).

It's so important, that instead of buying headphones, you should cut the expenditure of your monitors in half and spend the other half of the money on treatment.

While I wouldn't go as far as Mpower88 to call headphones "unnecessary" (especially in times when more and more music gets listened to on earbuds), I agree that professional acoustic treatment of the control room is the best investment for everybody who is does any kind of audio production for a living.

Ok perhaps I went a little bit far with calling them "unnecessary"  - I suppose what I meant is that while a good mix on monitors will always translate well to earbuds, or earphones, the reverse is in my experience never true. If it doesn't translate well, it wasn't a good mix - earbuds in particular will do what they will do to the sound - at least that's my experience - notwithstanding that Dietz is the master engineer around here for sure ;-)

I use a FocusRite VRM Box and BeyerDynamic DT880 Pro phones. After a lengthy break-in period on the phones (about 200 hours), they are very detailed, "even" and have plenty of low-end - much better than any set of nearfields without a sub. No problems with my mixes.

I think most people think low-end is lacking in phones as they can't "feel" the bass like they can with a subwoofer. I don't have this problem. I guess I don't need to "feel" it. Your experience may be different. The biggest problem with phones is that the stereo imaging is absolute. You get no cross-signal like you do with your ears naturally so properly panning your instruments can be a little difficult. The plugins listed above (I used Redline Monitor for a while) or the VRM Box compensate for this to make it seem like your mix is out in front of you instead of inside your head.

With any monitoring setup (speakers or headphones) you will need a little time to get use to how it sounds to produce decent mixes. I've been using headphones for years, so I am use to it. Adding the VRM Box has only made it better, although it took a little time to get use to the change in sound. It is nice that I can check my mixes in different simulated environments with the VRM Box. I was kind of skeptical at first, but I wouldn't give it up now for anything. It really works, and it works very well.

I do have a set of Focal CMS-50s, but I still mainly use the phones and just check my final mixes on the monitors as well as a set of Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 PC speakers. I haven't yet had to make adjustments after listening on the monitors or other speakers.

If you opt for a VRM Box, make sure your current interface has coaxial S/PDIF out to go into the VRM Box, or just use the VRM Box as your interface (I haven't tried it as a stand-alone interface). 250 ohms is about the most the VRM Box amp will power, so make sure your phones don't exceed this if you are considering the VRM Box as an option.

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My setup
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Echo Gina3G PCI interface: Analog out 1&2 to monitors, Analog out 3&4 to PC speakers (with adapter), S/PDIF out to VRM Box / Phones (see below)

In my DAW software (Studio One Pro) I set up a separate stereo cue in my Outputs and run that out through S/PDIF, that way I can have my phones and monitors running at the same time, though my monitor volume is usually turned down until the very end of mixing/mastering. Your audio interface may support simultaneous analog and digital output in its control panel (mine does not), so you wouldn't need to set up the cue mix in your DAW.

Hope this helps a little.