I did try playing with setting expression and Vel X-fade to the same CC, and don’t remember thinking that it worked, but will try again adding also the dynamic range into the equation.

I doubt that VSL would go back and change levels on patches, but continue to think that some behind the scene correction might be possible. Like the "button" mentioned above, maybe an "automatic" (that’s the tricky part) gain adapter with a fader to either let different levels pass (like when you want a sfz), and when you want smooth levels.

I don’t understand anything about phasing and related subjects, but also think that the future for these VSL libraries, would be a VIP (3.0?) that would go beyond simple patch playing, but rather morphing (whatever that means) between various base patches to achieve the sound (definable though automation). I’m thinking along the lines of some advances of the libraries that I mentioned earlier.

I believe I suggested a morph feature toggle button for the velo X fade for VI Pro 1.0. Something similiar to Kontakt. I quite certain that something like that would improve drastically the blend between the layers.

Also I'm still hoping for a fix for some legato instruments. I mean, imho I feel that arranging for appasionata strings takes far less time to get the legatos sounding smooth than the orchestral strings, for instance. In fact I use them much more often. I don't know, perhaps these fixes have to be done to the libraries themselves rather than the player.

I am actually now using Orchestral, Chamber, and Solo to achieve the sound I want... even smoother legatos... better raw sound that is dynamic and only enough 'raw' comes through when I want it, etc. Cross fading now takes me 3 times the amount of time as before... because now that I have discovered this wonderful way that I should have been doing from the start... everything takes loads longer. :(

But good results are worth it!

-Sean

Have you tried just doubling the midi track (from the orchestra strings ) for a seperate chamber & also solo track? That can work well. I’ve found that I have to push back the Chamber, and even more so the Solos (less dry signal, more verb signal) to make them blend well.

You may already be a knowledgeable eq’er, but I’ve recently found that cutting about 4db at around 5200mhz can do wonders for VSL strings. At bit less proximity and less bow sound !!

WOW- again WOW.. I'm an idiot!

I didn't even think to double the midi track... there is a very small drawback there... but the time it would save would be worth it. I usually push back the chamber and the solos a bit more also... but not 'pushing back' in the verb... Half the time I want that bow sound brought out more... half the time I don't... It  depends on what it's for really. But I usually use the master fader, adjust volume, and adjust a little bit of dry/wet to get the sound. Honestly, I typically play with it until it sounds right... lol

I am knoledgeable enough to know ABOUT the point of cutting out certain frequencies, etc... and I do it from time to achieve better sound.. but I haven't read enough on it or played with it enough to feel compitent. I've been wanting to learn more eq for a better mix. The only tips I've seen really are compression in some cases (or some people say all cases) - cutting out or boosting certain frequencies with eq - and some reverb stuff lately. I feel I almost have it... but that I'm still missing something, some last thing to make samples shine! [:D]

-Sean 

-Have you tried just doubling the midi track (from the orchestra strings ) for a seperate chamber & also solo track?

This may be newb to you, but: A book I'm reading suggests, or rather often says, to take a doubled instrument, use midi to transpose it one semitone, then take that track and move it down one semitone, note-wise. It apparently forces a new sample so that you're always playing different 'instruments' if you have say Vi1 and Vi2 tracks.

Such would load the same number of samples (the full violins for example) but each track would sound slightly different, that's the theory anyways:)

Yeah, Beat K. has mentioned it on here and his tutorial site also. I actually don't prefer it though. To me, it's a lot of work to get a result that leaves my library 'handicaped' as it isn't the 'normal setup' (if that makes any sense). I don't want to take the time to explain that more, lol

I actually use other methods which again won't be wise to detail on here (long explanation) but I add the chamber and solo vi's to it so that it will sound right.

Of course, a nicefull featured divisi string library... cough cough... might solve this ... cough cough... problem. Wink wink, nudge nudge. [:D]

-Sean

Ah ok. 

I'd like to 'divisi' my Solo Strings, that would be awesome. I'm not sure if I can or not, but I suspect not since I don't see any presets.

At what point do you stop wishing for more and start writing music? I have 5 songs from my original setup, VE standard + a few products, and 2 new songs that I'd like all to turn into something, yet I'm sitting here trying to make my system perfect because of all the new stuff I've bought. At some point, it has to stop, and I need to make music, otherwise it was all for nought.

ps: are Beat's downloads of value if you have some stuff, but not all? I've seen his site, of course, just not looked since I got Cubase 6.

On topic with the tread, I do have a HUGE request: Matrix switching by controller. It would allow me to just look in a lane in Cubase like I do with the X and Y. Right now, it's keyswitch-only because VST 3 doesn't support program changes. Drag:(

That transpostition trick is really only necessary when you have Vl. I & Vl. II playing unison. When they do do unison, I make sure to use different patches !

OK so I've read enough of this post, been following it, to know that there is a legitimaste concern, passing from sample to sample, when the articulation is different. Maybe in real life it works, certain articulations are louder than others, but I'm not sure how you would fix that in a sample library. Artifically construct the next articulation? If you think about it in real life, you'd have a track per articulation. The question is how much are you willing to artificiate it for sample/time sake, no?

A real player is going to do what comes natural, sometimes loud, sometimes maybe not so much, in the next phrase/note. I can't imagine a sample player dealing with this unless they take the Play approach amd don't deal with it at all. Who wants 16 channels for a very basic violin? I think VSL did the best they could, but maybe some more programming is in order. Who knows.

@julian said:

Is it actually possible to phase align different samples? - certainly identical audio is straight forward but I find with non-identical audio files it is often possible to phase align at a specific point but then the waveform displays soon drift apart over a matter of tenths of a second.

And that is also ignoring the fact that even if you could phase align samples over their entire duration (by maybe re-building the sample structure?) then it will all be to no avail unless the respective loop durations are exactly the same length down to sample level.

Julian

I think this is what the Garritan Strad, and then Samplemodeling have done.

DG