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  • read this thread :

    http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/28664/185559.aspx#185559

    SSD are great  and with an improvement coming in VE PRO  you will be able to make more out if it

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • I think it doesn´t matter that much if you take the library or the recording external path. The point is to have separate drives for the tasks and not put the operation system, sequencer programs, plug ins, audio recording/sampling and samples/streaming libraries all on the same physical drive.

    It is always a good idea to split up the tasks, ideally not only between different drives but also between different controller pipelines.

    What connection are you going to use with your external Lacie drive ? if you have eSATA, do whatever you want, it will be fine. If you use USB, it will also work, but be a little bit more careful when it comes to heavy data loading.

    The perfect situation will be dedicated drives for OS, audio recording and library. But it will also work nicely with 2 drives, if your´re not going for the biggest and most complex orchestra setups. Of course there may be situations asking for different SSDs dedicated to every single library and Raid setups for audio on top. But the "overkill mode" was already mentioned :)


  • kleinholgi, Thanks, I guess the rational for recording to the external was that it is less likely to be called on for extraneous processes. Right now -- I'm using USB, because I had some trouble getting the firewire to daisy-chain through the Focusrite to the external. The iMac only has one firewire port. I'll fool around with it a bit more, and worse case is I'll wait for Apple to come up with firewire adapters for their Thunderbolt protocol. ..or just get another HD as you suggested. I was running the same system on my first 21"iMac with a two-core i3 processor and 4GB. So with double the RAM and an i7 processor, I'm confident that I'm in good shape. I'm just looking to optimize things.

  • Although being a big fan of Firewire, USB is a good choice in this case, because if you have two clients on one FIrewire port, it can be a better idea to put the second one on USB, even if in other cases I´d prefer the Firewire connection.

    I´m sure your system will be fast enough to get you going.

    On the other hand there will always be people complaning about the performance of their octo SSD Enigma Raid, when trying to stream 20 string sections at once for an orchestral crossover between Wagner, Mahler and the Chemical Brothers :)

    If you look for an update, watch out for a SSD where you can put either your OS or the sample library on.


  • The best optimisation is :

    1 HD or SSD for system

    1 HD with :

    - 1st partition for VM

    - 2nd for your songs

    1 or 2 SSD or even a raid of SSD for VSL libs 

    1 HD for your other libs

    1 HD to stream your songs 

    Use eSata or Sata, if possible SATA III

    I doubt that Imac is not a good idea if you want to handle a big orchestra, if your are blocked you can always add slaves


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • OK, so it sounds like: iMac for the Pro Tools system ..and partition the external for VM and recordings. I guess what I'm not understanding is, what's the point of system and libraries on different drives? To perhaps oversimplify, the libraries and system "load" into RAM, and at that point it doesn't really matter from where they originate.

  • This would be true, if you had practically unlimited RAM and unlimited bandwidth for data transfer to the internal memory.

    But as long as our typical systems still need some time to load sounds & samples, it is better to use the ressources wise and let  the controllers do their job as efficient as possible.

    Since we know that the system is doing all kinds off stuff in the background - usually when we hate it the most - loading samples can increase the time that you have to wait until 1. the system is ready with its backup, defrag, virus scan, sector check or whatever kind of weird stuff is going on, although you just want to fire up your sequencer. And 2. you wait longer before your samples are loaded.

    If you then made two partitions where the read head constantly has to switch between e.g. " Virus scan wants me to check sector A" and "VSL player asks for sample ZZZ99" on the opposite side of the disc platter (speaking simplified), you can imagine what happens. If you have two seperate discs or even better solid state discs, where there is no  physical read head at all,  the devices can operate more or less in parallel, especially when using also two dedicated controller pipelines, which don´t get in the way of each other.


  • VM has to be alone on a partition ; this is to avoid to have the VM files fragmented, to fasten memory access

    Same with Samples ; it is better to have then on a Raid 0 of disk if you do not want to wait ages to load your samples ; my Orchestral templates loads all L2 preset for Wind and Brass; all SE articulations for percussions and Strings, All articulations for Appassionata

    I use the 24 GB of memory, and my Swap is 4 GB.

    As I have my samples on a raid of SSD ; it does not seems to penalize Disk/memory/CPU  playing a very complex orchestral piece.

    If you have different disk for System and the VSL lib it is to avoid fragmentation too

    Best

    Cyril


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • ..I still can't figure out how to negotiate a "return" on these forums ..everything I type on the mac seems to end up as one paragraph. OK so let's say I get a second dedicated external drive. Please bear with my nubeyness ..I just read up on what RAID is. Options: A = Run the system from Internal, VL from Ext 2, and Record to Ext 1; B = System on Internal, RAID 0 for Record and VL (this speeds things up a little, right?); C = System on Internal, record and VL to RAID 1 (this should perform no differently than what I have now, it just provides for redundancy, right?). -thanks.

  • Sometimes, I have the same problems with formatting.

    I think what helped was to set "full HTML editor" or something like that in the forum user preferences.

    If you are unsure, better type 2 returns.

    Regarding Raid your´re right. Raid 0 is for speed (more risky) , Raid 1 for more data security.

    If you are looking for speed, I would go for a SSD instead these days.

    I love to have the OS on it, because it optimizes general working speed, booting and all the nasty background stuff.

    For recording, a regular HD is fast enough.

    Putting samples on SSD can be a good idea, if you want to reduce your waiting time, but the larger your library is, the more expensive it will get.

    Also remember, external is O.K., but why not connect an additional drive inside the computer ? This will save some money and usually the internal SATA ports are the fastest you have ( but I´m not a Mac expert at all).

    Especially an internal SSD is nice, because you have less noise and lower temperature, no need for extra fans or weird silent mounting cages.

    When you put the system data on a SSD, remember to have a backup copy.

    I have two such systems in use for ~6months now and never had a problem, but you never know how stable these SSDs are in the long run.

    But let´s assume you put  VSL on an external 1.5TB discs, there should be plenty of free space left to do backups of your SSD boot partition onto that same drive as well.

    If you need all this, really depends on how many instruments you want to fire up at the same time, at which audio latency, with which audio interface and how much realtime experience you ask for.

    It is easily possible that one creates music with VSL on a laptop, where another one thinks about further extensions of his HAL quadro RAID helium cooling workstation an is still not satisfied.....

    My guess is, if you use two dedicated drives, you wil be fine.


  • Thanks for the very helpful response, k. I'm going to mull this one over. Right now I'm listening to my LaCie external hard drive sitting there semi-idle for a few minutes and I swear it's at least 5 times louder than my iMac. Then it kicks in it sounds like a KitKat commercial for a few seconds. Then it goes to sleep. It's like trying to get some sleep while sharing your bed with an occasional snorer. The salesperson talked me out of a second internal HD when I bought the iMac because of the price (He was trying to be helpful). I suppose I could just hide the LaCie behind my rig somewhere and it'll be OK ..but two of them? Does any one have recommendations for a reasonably priced reasonably quiet 1 or 2T drive? SSD will probably be prohibitively expensive. -thanks.

  • Exactly that was the reason, why I went for an SSD. Some noises can drive you nuts, even if they aren´t physically as loud as you think. It also heavily depends on where you place the discs. In my office there are several old computers, some of which are very loud, but I don´t care, cause it is a bigger room with carpet on the floor.

    At home, in a smaller room with a wooden floor I swear I can hear if the HD is on or off even when I´m in another room downstaires....

    SSD is a really a big step forward. in that point.

    If you place your system on it, it also isn´t that much expensive today. Of course, if you want more than 200 GB e.g. for sample libraries, that will hurt much more.

    I just wonder, why the Lacie is so loud, cause usually they provide good quality. If you hate it, just invest ~70 Euros for a second internal disc or ~180 for a SSD and you are fine. Then you can use the Lacie for backups only once in a while and the noise doesn´t bother you anymore. Unless you used eSATA, this will also speed up things as a nice side-effect.