That's a good way of clearing up this discussion :) ! I agree. They don't compete how can they!? But divisi is something that would take VSL to another level altogether in my opinion than where it already is. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's essential as the next step, again, only in my humble opinion. :)
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The BIG question is ...
Will VSL develop some NEW strings that will expand, and complement their current line of Strings Libraries ?
I hope the answer is YES .
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How about it VSL guys, can we get a "yay" or a "nay" on a dimension strings with divisi sections in both mute and unmuted with all the articulations of the orchestral strings, in the style of appassionata libraries!!!
I don't think it's too much of a tall order!! You can probably knock that over in a weekend! [:P]
Seriously though I think it would take VSL to the next level... a whole new ball park so to speak.
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Since I don't trust using Vienna around for fear of losing my key again, I'm looking for new libraries, something like the Special Edition bu with no dongles. Does HS use dongles?
Cesare
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Well why don't you sell your tv, all your studio equipment, your fridge, and everything else you own since that too may be stolen and you won't get it back. Or you could get insurance on your house and business contents and then if it gets stolen you will get money to replace it...
The Vienna key is a license stored on a physical key, therefore it's a physical item, like your keyboard, or your computer. You don't go complaining to Apple or Dell if your computer is stolen as though they are obligated to replace it, so it is with the vienna key. It's like a diamond ring: small but still valuable!
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I haven't been paying much attention to EW lately so maybe things have changed but what I've never been able to understand about EW is why they insist upon recording samples with their own built in ambience. Even the close mic position has too much ambience.
I'd say that's true of EWQLSO, but have you heard the close mics of HS? Between those two libraries, the amount of ambience definitely has changed - even the farthest mics of HS are vastly drier than the old orchestral library.
I definitely like the sound of HS, and I don't think I've heard a demo of VSL strings that sounded anywhere close to that sound to me (feel free to link some). But the PLAY plugin isn't nearly as good as either the Vienna player or Kontakt, and HS seems to have many programming issues even after being released for a year. Not to mention that the user features and customizability don't come anywhere close to the other two plugins. If the programming quality was as good as the recordings, it would be hard for any other string library to compete, but I know of a number of people who own the library but use it very little if at all.
LASS is limited on articulations but it has what I need most and I've been extremely happy with the sound and realism I've been able to get out of it. It's also very light on resources (even when using all the divisi) and I find it extremely quick and easy to use. I just play it and get results I'm happy with without much fussing between a million different articulations and variations. And they totally nailed the legatos.
But at this point I'd say the 300 pound gorilla isn't HS but the upcoming CineBrass. The sound so far seems to be phenomenal and the programming is as advanced and user friendly as anything I've seen. It's nice to see vienna trying new things like Dimension Brass but so far the reaction outside of the Vienna diehards has been fairly lukewarm, particularly to the sound quality.
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One thing that continues to amaze me in these types of threads is a seemingly unspoken but underlying assumption that products with "Hollywood" or "Cine" = good, while products that emulate a traditional orchestra = bad. As stated before, having played classical double-bass, VSL comes as close to what I actually do (with the bow in particular). There are reasons - as was mentioned earlier in the thread - why HS does not include mock-ups of Vivaldi, Mozart, and similar styles.
VSL reminds me very much of what participating in an orchestra actually sounded like. There simply is far more to the orchestral world than that trademark "Hollywood" sound. Side note: what will happen when popular tastes change, and the lush Hollywood sound is no longer "in"?
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@noldar12 said:
One thing that continues to amaze me in these types of threads is a seemingly unspoken but underlying assumption that products with "Hollywood" or "Cine" = good, while products that emulate a traditional orchestra = bad. As stated before, having played classical double-bass, VSL comes as close to what I actually do (with the bow in particular). There are reasons - as was mentioned earlier in the thread - why HS does not include mock-ups of Vivaldi, Mozart, and similar styles.
Agree.
Some libs may have thicker sounds out of the box and on a on a very limited comparison it can give an impression of superiority, but I'd say the same way one will say: I prefer this girl because she has bigger boobs: Hollywood boobs!
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Did someone say "girl"...."Hollywood".... Guy, you work too hard!....here's the way to do it:
brought to you by none other than Hans himself.
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There are reasons - as was mentioned earlier in the thread - why HS does not include mock-ups of Vivaldi, Mozart, and similar styles.
Actually HS does have a vivaldi demo up. I just don't agree that VSL sounds more like a real orchestra than the other libraries available, at least not the strings I've heard. But that's always going to be a matter of opinion.
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to be honest, the best string library I've ever heard is the fairly unknown Spiritoso Live Cellos by Zero G:
http://www.timespace.com/product/SPIR-326/Zero-G%20Spiritoso:%20Live%20Cello%20Phrases.html
If you hear the demos you'll see what I mean. Just because I produced this library myself and therefore will directly earn money from any of you that buy it, I am in no way biased.
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I should add: it only sounds truly great when blended with VSL strings.
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@synergy543 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPW6fKiilIc&feature=related
Apparently brought to you by none other than Hans himself.
- "I've been a composer all my life" [:P][W][li][+o(][+o(][+o(]This year's nominees for best o r i g i n a l (sic!!) score are: UJAM (with "melody" by Hans), UJAM (with "melody" by Trevor), UJAM (on its own), and Ennio Morricone.
And the Oscar goes to...... UJAM!!
P.S.: It would be great to see a thread where people would discuss actual adequate 'string-writing' and its subtleties, with as much attention to detail as they do when they discuss timbre/realism etc. Who cares whether you have the real Vienna Philharmonic in front of you if you have only composed pads and semiquaver-drones...
(Certainly not the MORON directors/producers and their pathetic music supervisors who can't tell the difference between genuine invention and a computer algorithm, and keep paying the bluffers of this world untold millions for their mouse-riding skills)
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Ok, you believe cine brass sounds better, it's your view. So what's your point besides that?.
Besides that, my point is that I think people are assuming that other libraries are only good for one style based on product names.
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Ok, you believe cine brass sounds better, it's your view. So what's your point besides that?.
Besides that, my point is that I think people are assuming that other libraries are only good for one style based on product names.
Fine, hope you will enjoy it.
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ah just having a bit of fun, I'm sure this thread is ripe for deletion pretty soon anyway...Do you think it's very respectful advertising Spiritoso on the VSL forum? Personally I would have no use for such library, using bits of phrases. It wouldn't take too long before you are repeating the same phrases over and over, even though they sound good.
how happy can VSL be with this discussion? Not much I think.
Then again, it's all healthy debate. I suspect there's a few psychological factors at work here in people's replies. For example, people choose VSL over others firstly because they prefer the sound, so they are probably going to defend it vigourously on this forum, and why not. Also however, whatever people buy costs so much money that they will desperately want to believe that it's the best, so that they won't feel stupid, and I suspect this is also a factor at play. And another layer here is that clearly there's quite a few great products all which have a different sound, each valid in different ways for different uses or a different end impact.
So, everyone's right in their own way.
Although I would say, the more emotional someone's response is, the more likely it is that they are expressing opinions and feelings and not being entirely rational.
