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  • Cyril BlancC
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    @DG said:

     However, be aware that SSD is not performing well on OSX for many people, so you may see little to no benefit.

    DG

    just be a little bit patient !!!! 

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    In my opinion you get far more bang for your buck with a PC slave (rather than OSX). Why are you only looking at Macs?

    I use OSX and Logic on my master machine (just in case you thought I was biased). [;)]

    M
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    @DG said:

    (which won't give you the best VE Pro slave)
    What difference between Mac and PC for use as slave? Latency? 

    VE Pro runs more efficiently under Windows than under OSX.

    DG
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    @DG said:

     However, be aware that SSD is not performing well on OSX for many people, so you may see little to no benefit.

    DG

    just be a little bit patient !!!! 

     

    Cyril, I'm not sure that there is anything to be patient for. Apple seems to have had very little response to the many complaints about the lack of performance using SSD with OSX. Also, now that Thunderbolt is out, I'm not sure that there is much incentive to do anything about it. I suspect that the full potential of SSD with OSX will only be seen with an external drive connected via Thunderbolt.

    DG
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    @mosso said:

    In my opinion you get far more bang for your buck with a PC slave (rather than OSX). Why are you only looking at Macs?

    I use OSX and Logic on my master machine (just in case you thought I was biased).

    M

     

    I think you're right about that. However, some OSX users do worry about running a Windows machine, and I quite understand that if OSX is your home territory, anything else can be daunting. It's a bit like changing sequencer or notation program. Not for the faint of heart. [;)]

    DG
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    Personally, I'd go with a PC slave before getting any mac to use as a slave machine.  But my mac pro is handling everything I need, with my current setup it's plenty, I have no need for a slave machine.

    @DG said:

    Cyril, I'm not sure that there is anything to be patient for. Apple seems to have had very little response to the many complaints about the lack of performance using SSD with OSX. Also, now that Thunderbolt is out, I'm not sure that there is much incentive to do anything about it. I suspect that the full potential of SSD with OSX will only be seen with an external drive connected via Thunderbolt.

    Apple is improving SSD support.  Recently it was found that 10.7 has TRIM support, after that new MB air models included it for the latest version of 10.6 (in both cases, just for the apple SSDs but I expect that to get updated to support all).

    In terms of performance on mac, it seems more dependent on the software.  PLAY doesn't work well on SSD/Mac, and it sounds like the vienna stuff isn't really optimized for SSD on either platform.  But Kontakt has major gains on SSD, mac and PC.  That, along with major improvements on mac/ssd with other types of software, makes it seems like it's much more an issue for third party devs to fix than something on Apple's side.
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    A new update is currently in testing, which improves SSD loading performance. For one user with an SSD RAID on Mac, loading speed has increased from10-15MB/sec to roughly 480MB/sec. With this update - disk speed is the only limit to loading speed.
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    @MS said:

    A new update is currently in testing, which improves SSD loading performance. For one user with an SSD RAID on Mac, loading speed has increased from10-15MB/sec to roughly 480MB/sec. With this update - disk speed is the only limit to loading speed.

    New update of what? OsX or programm?
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    A new update of VI & VIPro. We have implemented a workaround to get around some of the pitfalls of the OSX kernel.
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    Hello,

    this increase of performance sound amazing. But what does RAID mean in this case and which SSD do you recommend for a Mac Pro. Should I wait till the faster ones come out end of April?

    Thanks

    Alfred
  • Cyril BlancC
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    > But what does RAID mean in this case

    raid 0 is about 1.5 the speed per disk, more disk you have, faster is the loading

    the 490 mb/s test was done with a 11 GB template on a 4 x 64 gb crucial  raid on a Rocket raid sata III, a 11.83 GB template was loaded in 50 secs  using VE pro server and VI pro

    > which SSD do you recommend for a Mac Pro.

    Sata III if you can have a SATA III card in your MAC (like the Rocket Raid)

    > Should I wait till the faster ones come out end of April?

    up to you !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Thanks for your advice Cyril,

    I don´t know if my Mac Pro 12core takes the SATA III, but I hope so.  Do you win performance only when you load the instrument or does the SSD increase the performance during playing too?
  • Cyril BlancC
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    loading and playing

    No problem to put a sata III card in your Mac

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Crazy world - this morning I found out that my official mac-trader installed Western Caviar green HDs instead black ones on my new Mac. So maybe the exchange will bring me some gain of performance. We will see...

    What do you think about a Western raptor? Is this kind of HD out of time now? It´s no so expensive...
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Raid 0 of HD is also a solution now, this as soon the fix is out

    If you leave in France in Paris I can sell you an 8 out Rocket raid PCI E with 6 raptors

    Best

    Cyril

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Wow, that seems to be a great thing. How many Gb does it have?
  • Cyril BlancC
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     it is 6 raptors 10 000 rpm of 32 gb, so you have a raid 0 of 192 GB

    They have SE PLUS and Appassionata already loaded

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    Would you still be of the same opinion now that Lion is out?  My MB Air screams with the SSD and Lion - but I haven't really tasked it yet.  Just looking for some feedback.
  • Cyril BlancC
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    Lion does not do anything !

    The new comming VE PRO may change figures !

    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    That's good news!

    I'm new to VSL and I just created a post here: Re: New User -- Need Help Deciding Building a VSL Mac-based System.

    I'm wondering if you could help me out. Based on your knowledge, which way should I go?

    MacBook Air 13" 2011 i5/i7 w/256GB SSD and 4GB RAM

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    Mac Mini i5/i7 w/500GB+ HDD (or 256GB SSD) and 8GB RAM

    OR

    iMac 27" i5/i7 w/ 16GB RAM and 1TB HDD w/ 256GB external T-Bolt Drive (LaCie Little Big Disk)

    See the link above for info on what my recording template looks like.

    Thanks in advance!

    Craig