Now I understand what the problem is. I'm sure I'm not the first to say this but, I always thought that this dongle thing could never bring anything good. You spend a considerable amount of money in a musical instrument but you're tied to specific usage limitations. In my actual computer setup, the slave computer is not so powerful as to load all the brass section, so I need to load some instruments in my master computer, apart for the strings section, which is already loaded in the master. Needless to say that I shouldn't spend more money in a new computer just because I only get one license. I'll write to the customer service to see if they can help me.
Thanks for all your information!
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Samadhi, as I think you are discovering, the very design of high level sample libraries also require a certain level of computer power to be able to run them. Those of us who were coming from much older computers (myself included) had to allow for the additional cost of at least a decent computer to be able to run them. It is certainly not at all fun, but necessary.
As for the dongle, while I will admit that I don't "like" them either, they are an absolute necessity given the problems with piracy. It is the only way for VSL to reliably protect their very large investment. In the end people's dishonesty hurts all of us, developers and honest users alike.
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Hi Noldar12! I'm aware on what you say. In fact, my master computer is a Mac Pro 8 cores with 20 Gb of RAM. But I also think that users may have different configurations depending of their needs and just the dongle shouldn't be a limitation, I mean, I shouldn't have to spend more money in a new computer when I don´t need it, just because I cannot get an additional license for a product I've already paid. I understand the measures against piracy. VSL are doing a great job and they deserve, like all of us, to get the money for what they do. That's why all my software is original. But I think that a middle point has to be set between defense against piracy and user convenience. Cheers!@noldar12 said:
Those of us who were coming from much older computers (myself included) had to allow for the additional cost of at least a decent computer to be able to run them.
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You'll find that most, if not all, sample based products only allow for use on one computer at a time. VSL is no different in this regard. It is also true for plugin developers; if you want to use Altiverb (for example) on two different systems at the same time, you have to bu a second licence.
DG
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I won't tell the name of the strings library, just for politeness. But is a library that I use quite frequently, and it works without any problem, even though I don't have a Cray. But if you don't trust my word there are professional magazines with very positive reviews about this library, so we probably are not talking about the same thing.
Quite an ovbious solution, but that is not the point of the conversation, as you can guess. Best regards. ;)@DG said:
If you want another licence, then just buy one. It's not that expensive.
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You could also buy a more powerful computer. It seems that for some reason you expect VSL to give you a free licence. I don't see why you expect that, when it's your decision to have a less than powerful computer.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, and you'll have to make the decision whether to get a more powerful computer, buy a second licence or not.
DG
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Hi Dg. You must be the only person in the world who think that a Mac Pro 8 cores and 20 Gb RAM is a "less than powerful" computer (read a previous post where I say which computers I use). Under your point of view, a Mac Pro is useless unless you want it for email and word processing, as it is "less than powerful" 😊. As I also explain in a previous post, I just wanted to load some instruments in my Macbook Pro just to free my main computer from all the instruments processing. Maybe this is a situation in which nobody else find themselves, but it serves me to tell the company of which I am a customer that there can be a different way of doing things in this particular issue, not just spending more money in licenses and more money in a new computer, as you encourage me to do all the time, that is, spend money. I can understand why VSL just give one license. They're protecting their interests, which is fair and fine. But I have to protect mine, and I don't like to spend money when, under my point of view, there isn't a good reason to. As you can supose I'll buy a new slave computer when I think that I need it. Anyway, we've arrived to a dead point. You can keep telling me that I must spend more money and I can keep telling you that maybe there's a different, not very difficult solution for this dongle thing, which is generally known to be a "less than good solution" for the piracy problem. And we could go on like this forever. So I think is enough. I understand your position but, as you can understand, don't agree with you, and I hope you understand mine. Just say to you thank you for your interest in answering all my posts and giving me your point of view. Cheers! :)@DG said:
It seems that for some reason you expect VSL to give you a free licence. I don't see why you expect that, when it's your decision to have a less than powerful computer.
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One problem seems to be that you can distribute your licences only „library-wise“, i.e. you can only put ALL the Solo Strings or ALL the dimension brass on a slave computer with a seperate dongle. But you can’t run the trumpets and trombones on one machine, the horns and low brass on another with a single licence. . . . . . . . . . Maybe VSL (or Synchrosoft) could in the future provide a solution where ONE dongle is sufficent for multiple computers, when all these computers are physically connected (via LAN) to the same network.
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I don't think the license thing for slaves is such a big deal since just about anyone using a slave machine is likely running many libraries which means you can divide them between the two. If the master and slave machines aren't the same level of power, then bigger libraries will need to be on the more powerful machine. Is the new brass library really so demanding that it requires two machines? Maybe if it is, it should be divided into multiple licenses so it can be split.
No question that multiple installs is much more convenient and flexible.
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You'll find that most, if not all, sample based products only allow for use on one computer at a time.
Not even close. Most if not all libraries that run on Kontakt, the spectrasonic stuff. Seems like most libraries that are web authorization instead of dongle allow at least two installs. And even EW's new Hollywood Strings (iLok) allows two installs since the library is so big and demanding.
Personally, I like the philosophy of having licenses be per user and not per machine. A user buys a library, as long as it's that same person using it I don't see the fuss about allowing it on multiple machines for extra power, doesn't seem like anything "free" at all.
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You could always ask Apple if they will give you a free Mac Pro, seeing that you already bought one. - obviously they are not going to, yet you expect VSL to give you a free Dimension Brass because you bought one? It's the same expectation.
If you need to spread the processing power, then each VSL library has it's own license that can run on separate dongles. Dimension Brass is considered one library, so it cannot be separated. You should easily be able to run the entire Dimension Brass on an 8 core/20Gb computer.
I cannot see why you need to spread Dimension Brass on two computers, if you have a powerful enough single computer.
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@andyjh said:
You could always ask Apple if they will give you a free Mac Pro, seeing that you already bought one. - obviously they are not going to, yet you expect VSL to give you a free Dimension Brass because you bought one? It's the same expectation.
Sorry, I don't buy that comparison at all. One is hardware while the other is intellectual property. And in this case the use would be an additional machine for the same user. And you miss that other sample companies give that second "free" copy all the time.
I'd argue a better comparison would be if you bought a download of a song but couldn't have it loaded on your ipod and computer at the same time ("What, you want something free???").
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Sorry, my last post wasn't ended. Just pressed the wrong button! Anyway, let me clarify you some things about your last post:
Tell me one thing. When you compose music, do you always use the same instruments? I don't. Imagine if all my orchestral compositions were made solely by brass instruments 😊. I tell you this because, as you can imagine, in may main computer, the Mac Pro, I not only use the Dimension Brass library. I also use a big strings library, synths, drum machines, drum samplers, etc, like probably everyone in this forum, but you, who seem to use always the same instrument. You probably could say that I can use VE Pro to use other instruments that don't need the dongle in my slave and less powerful computer, and use Brass in the main one. And you would be right, but this is not the point of this conversation. What I want to tell is that we, as VSL users, are tied to some restrictions that could be easily solved, like other libraries do (see previous posts for examples). Massmover, in a previous post gave a good idea to solve this little problem, and it shows you how easy it could be to find a better way of protecting against piracy. Unless you like to pay, and spend money on dongles and licenses which I don't. Hope I've clarified you a little bit my position. Best regards! ;)ou should easily be able to run the entire Dimension Brass on an 8 core/20Gb computer.
I cannot see why you need to spread Dimension Brass on two computers, if you have a powerful enough single computer.
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The comparison I really wanted to use was Window OS, I have two PC,s and I have had to buy Windows twice, one for each machine, Microsoft do not give two licenses, I didn't use this comparison as you are a Mac user therefore it didn't seem relevant.
I run my least powerful PC as the master, and the most powerful machine as the slave, I have had some very large orchestrations (70 tracks) running at once in real time on the slave PC, I do run some libaries on the master PC, so there is definately a case for running different libraries on master and slave, but I cannot see why you would want to split up a single library (like Dimension Brass).
My VSL collection is divided into over 30 VSL licenses, I have them on one key, but they could be scattered wherever needed, to spread the load, but needing to split up one library is never an issue, and I am sure you could not list a set of libraries that you are running in a song, where having to split up a single library was necessary.
When you do need multiple licenses, like with Vienna Suite (as master and slave need it), then VSL do give you 3 licenses, and when it serves no purpose, you just get the one.
In view of the cost of a MAC Pro and the VSL libraries, is the cost of another dongle really an issue? Or where you hoping for an extra free license and another free dongle?
Still it could be worse, it could be on an iLok, and they are twice the price of an eLicenser key !
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Well, this thread is getting much longer than I had expected.
In view of the cost of a MAC Pro and the VSL libraries, is the cost of another dongle really an issue? Or where you hoping for an extra free license and another free dongle?
This is senseless, and a bit offensive. Firstly, it isn't your business, and is not the focus of this forum, how I spend my money. Secondly, I'm not hoping for an extra-nothing because I don't have the need to "beg" for anything, as you may want to insinuate. I'm just exposing what I think is fair. Don't misinterpret what I wrote just to have something offensive to say, only because you cannot think about anything better to write. You know what? Thanks to what you wrote in your last post and what people wrote before, I was figuring out a way of configuring my system so I don't have to split the library, even though I keep on thinking that two licenses is a good idea. This is the great thing about forums, you learn from other people. And then comes someone like you and make this unfortunate comment, making such a great thing like this a little less better. Anyway, these are your thoughts and deserve respect. Up to you. Best regards!
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@DG said:
You'll find that most, if not all, sample based products only allow for use on one computer at a time.
Not even close. Most if not all libraries that run on Kontakt, the spectrasonic stuff. Seems like most libraries that are web authorization instead of dongle allow at least two installs. And even EW's new Hollywood Strings (iLok) allows two installs since the library is so big and demanding.
Actually often it's not quite as simple as that. Many of these libraries (including Kontakt itself) allow two installs, but you are only allowed to use one at a time. Bigger, more demanding libraries offer more installs (as you say) but VSL does the same. It's just that the libraries are actually split into 2 licences, which I'm sure makes dongle abuse less likely.[;)]
I can't remember what the Spectrasonics EULA says.
DG
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@Samadhi said:
Well, this thread is getting much longer than I had expected.Forums are all about debate, sometimes it gets a bit heated, but that is the threads that are more interesting and get everyone watching, if anyone posts anything slightly controversial it will get debated, the forum would be a bit dull if no one responded to a comment.
It's rarely personal, it's just banter, but I have realised over the years, that forums are international and English is not always everyones first language, so some subtle tongue in check comments can be interpretted wrong.
Everyones on here to help each other, we always get there in the end.
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It's rarely personal, it's just banter, but I have realised over the years, that forums are international and English is not always everyones first language, so some subtle tongue in check comments can be interpretted wrong.
If it was just banter, then my excuses for misinterpreting what you were trying to transmit. But understand that it is very difficult to get the meaning of your words when you just put the words and there are no smileys or anything than can make others know that you are just being ironic, but in a good and friendly way. I think it is not only a question of language problems, because the sentence "In view of the cost of a MAC Pro and the VSL libraries, is the cost of another dongle really an issue? Or where you hoping for an extra free license and another free dongle?" Leaves little or no room for a wrong interpretation. In a previous post you said that asking for a second license is like asking for a second Windows liccense to Microsoft. And I think this line of argument is much more serious and logical in order to defend your idea than saying that I only want to get things for free. But let's forget about all of this, because I'm sure we all prefer not to spend our time in stupid arguments, and dedicate it to more interesting things. Best regards!;)