Yes, that helps .... 32 GB is most certainly enough for even big arrangements.

I _really_ tried to crash MIR with many output format changes (stereo > surround > stereo > surround) and can't reproduce the error. :-/ I had around 15-20 Instruments loaded on a 12 GB system, so in relation the load should be comparable to your case.

For now, I suggest to upgrade to the new version 1.2 of Vienna MIR which will be available in a few days (maybe already tomorrow). If this doesn't help, I will ask our developers to get in contact with you directly.

Thanks for your patience,

Not to hijack the thread, but I noticed crash on save being mentioned and thought I would chip in with my observations.

I'm using MIRse on a 920 i7 PC and periodically experience crashes when saving sessions (no matter size of session). Upon loading back up again I've noticed that sometimes MIRse would "corrupt" an instrument in the session, usually this being Kontakt4 (3rd party). The instrument is impossible to access/open and the only work around is to delete the instrument and make a new one + load the samples again.

Vagn Luv, thanks for reporting. Sorry to hear about that unpleasant issue.

We can't really reproduce that problem here, but I just received a message from one of our developers that he has an idea what's causing it. I'll keep you posted.

BTW - does this happen with MIR 1.2, too?

@xiantropist said:

And yet another update. I tried different rooms and get fuzzy artifacts. I don't know how ro deal with them. Can I send an audio example to you in order to demonstrate the issue?

Yes, of course - the best way to do this is www.yousendit.com . Make sure you upload an uncompressed audio-file (ideally 24 bit, ZIPed), not an mp3, as this would most likely confuse the artifacts you're experiencing with the format-inherent ones. 8-)

Kind regards,

Hey! Great news.

Increasing latency and/or buffer multiplier is always a good way to see if it's the application or the machine which is causing trouble. AFAIR, this is even mentioned in the manual ... ;-)

Kind regards,

@doubleattack said:

Hallo Dietz, thank you very much for kindly welcome and instantly support! So I sent the reports to you. Hope they want help to find the reason for the issues. Kind regards, Frank

Frank, I was testing Kontakt 4 within MIR today, and I can't reproduce the errors you seem to encounter.

Just to make sure - by "banks inside Kontakt" you mean a "multi on one MIDI channel", don't you? According to the Kontakt Manual, a "multi" is its most complex organization entity. I played a few hours with a project including a Multi, saving it, re-opening it, changing both the Icon's position, the Output Format as well as the Venue it was positioned is ... not a single hiccup. 😕

... I'm still waiting for the results of our developers, though. I just thought I should let you know that we didn't forget about you. 😉

Kind regards,

@multisca said:

Hello

MIR crashes when i choose it in the menu ouput and the software closes.

Win7, QUad 3Ghz, 16Go, RME 96/32 + HDSPe AIO

Hello Multisca,

during the Kontakt-tests I mentioned before I constantly switched from one Output Format to another (all Factory surround formats amongst them, plus half a dozen 5.1-setups of my own) , in different Venues (ORF Soundstages, Mozartsaal, and some unreleased Venues) - not a single crash. Not even the slightest irregularity. ... well, once I forgot to drag an Icon back into the valid HotSpot area, thus it remained silent. 8-)

Could you send us a Project file that gives you the troubles you mentioned above, please?

TIA,

@Another User said:

Meanwhile I assume to a complexly issue depend of computer system and different protection systems of MIR, Kontakt and Steinberg (for HSO), [...]

... hmmm ... it is tempting to blame copy protection for the issues you experienced, but a gut feeling tells me that this is not the reason. Both Steinberg and VSL products rely on the eLicenser, and NI's software uses a challenge-response scheme - those two hardly interfere with each other.

After writing my message yesterday, I was able to provoke a strange crash within MIR. It was late at night, so I have no prove yet that I can reproduce it, and I don't know if it is related to your issues at all; but I'll keep you posted.

Kind regards,

After my professedly speculativ assumption in my last post I will give some secured information whats happen with Kontakt 4.1.1. in MIR 1.2. build 1810 on my system; not for you only - of course for you first, Dietz, but also specially for this guys, they have the same issues with crashes on save.

My "provoke crash template" had 1 VI Pro instance with the DL upright bass and 4 Kontakt instances (3 third part librarys = Abbey Road 60s, BBB 1. trumpet mic 1, Kontakt factory foersterflügel and one instrument bank filled up with 40 slots = at all ca 3 GB)

1. MIR never crashs on save when I build up a new template. I can change the venues, output formats or change the instrument settings inside the instrument instances and in MIR - no problems at all for ever.

2. New load of the same template after restart of MIR I got s o m e t i m e s the message "can't load plugin" - and the last Kontakt instance (in this case foersterflügel) is not in the loaded template (there is an instrument chanel without the instrument.)

3. MIR loaded in the third Kontakt instance (in this case Abbey Road 60s Drums) not all samples, it happened every new load; I have to purge and reload all samples inside the Kontakt instance. (in bigger and real templates with BBB sometimes the same problem in the more than one instances.) In the same template inside Cubase on the same computer with the same settings and same MIDI informations to instruments Kontakt displays not this behavior.

4. MIR load Kontakt instances t w o times - specially the protected third part librarys (BBB, Abbey Road.) This not happen with banks, they will load normaly one time. (This also don't happen inside cubase on the same computer, same setup.)

5. With changes inside the Kontakt instance a n d changes of instrument settings inside MIR of this reloaded template I can provoke a crash on save after five times at the latest (That could be enough time for real world mixing - but often it crashs the first or second time.)

6. For this issue the settings of audio buffer, multiple buffer, midi input setting (ethernet or internal), hyperthreading on or of it never minds - in my experience.

My question to the MIR-user of this forum: Has somebody experienced something like that? If so, let's compare the systems and settings, so that we can isolate the issue. Every hint much appreciated.

Kind regards

Thanks a lot for the detailed repro! [Y] I will forward your message to our developers.

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Off-topic side-note: Please open your VSL Forum profile (it's in the second line on the top of this page), click on the "Communication" tab and switch the Content Editor to "Enhanced", otherwise all text formats are lost as soon as you post your messages. - I hope it's ok that I re-formatted your message above.

Just a little update: Our developers are already in contact with Kontakt (no pun intended) programers at Native Instruments.