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  • R
    R

    Thanks Dietz, Appreciate your time.
  • M
    M

    mir doesn't really sound any better or difrent than altiverb  

    great job though as alays, jay.  you're the best

    If you'd like I can remix in altiverb to compare/contrast.  

  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Hi Magates,

    Sounds like an interesting suggestion. You know that I've always been a big fan of AltiVerb, and I'm sure you could come up with a valid version. I doubt that you will be able to get the same blend between the instruments and the same sense of spaciousness, though. But yes - the music will be the same! ;-)

    Apart from that, I would like to repeat that MIR is not just a reverb. It is the _way_ to a believable and good-sounding mix that is so much easier and intuitive than dealing with myriads of mixer channels, AUX-sends, indivdual plugins and so on. If you are a full-fledged technician, this may not be an issue for you. If you're a composer, arranger or any other type of "just a musician", you will be into music with MIR after a few moments, without leaving your very own domain.

    PS: ... and if you're a technician, your results will surpass conventional virtual orchestral mixes with just a little practice, as the learing curve is very flat.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M

    Honestly I thought there was a bit too much stereo seperation and not enough sense of varying distances. woodwinds seem too far, percussion in some cases too close (particularly piatti and other high metalic perc)

    very subjective of course. 
  • D
    D

    Please guys, stop writing about MIR !! [H] I have it but I can't use it .. we're moving the studio so I'll wait for a mega computer .. it's like to have a Ferrari and waiting for the keys to try it !! [au]
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @magates said:

    Honestly I thought there was a bit too much stereo seperation and not enough sense of varying distances. woodwinds seem too far, percussion in some cases too close (particularly piatti and other high metalic perc)

    very subjective of course. 

    You should listen to the version conducted by Williams himself; then we talk about stereo-width! 8-)

    But nit-picking aside: Neither width nor distance is written into stone within MIR. If you would like to hear it differently - just go for it! This is "sampled reverb", not "reverb in a sample" (if you get my drift 😉 ...). I don't understand why you treat Jay's wonderful version of "Adventures" as it would be the only way to play it with MIR. - You said it yourself: It's all very subjective. The real beauty of MIR is that it is all about _your_ subjectivity.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • A
    A
    [quote=Dietz]You should listen to the version conducted by Williams himself; then we talk about stereo-width! 8-)

    Yes i remember that. I remember cause I've chosen this piece as a reference for my speaker positioning a while back. It was very confusing. hehe!
  • M
    M

    yeah most of my samples, even my giga format VSL samples, would be "foreign" I never jumped on board the VI bandwagon and now of course it's too late unless I win the lottery.
  • G
    G

    Heya Jay,

    You did an awesome work on it. I wonder if you could post the diferent files (if logic or cubase etc)? I know its a bit like ask a magician his trick but i think it would be good for try with MIR and also for see the diferent pluging you could have use like vienna suite or others and ho you used them. I i will use myself as an exemple, i am not an technician and use the diferent plugins is not that easy and can see how they are used in a piece like that would make learn a lot i think.

    Thanks for make that great job it show us the great things we can do with VSL ^.^

    Gilles
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    Hello Gilles,

    if you take a closer look at the demo page, there's a button saying "Downlad Tutorial" at the right. :-)

    HTH,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • G
    G

    Heya Dietz, 

    I know i have dowload it :P but i was more talking about the others plugins and diferent VSL stuff he used. Or did he only use MIR as plugins and nothing else? 

    Thanks ^.^ Gilles
  • JBacalJ
    JBacalJ

    I only used MIR-- but within MIR itself I used a few instances of Vienna Suite plugins.   Also on the final output of my sequencer I used one instance of the Vienna Suite Multiband Compressor with Dietz's preset  "Impress your client"   That's it.

    So with the MIR project files and midi file you should be able to reproduce the same performance and sound.  

    Speaking of the performance,  I decided to completely redo the tempos of the Adventures on Earth demo.   The new version should be up in a few days.

    Best,

    Jay
  • G
    G

    Heya Jay,

    Thanks a lot for have take the time to answer and can't wait to listen with the new tempo ^.^

    Hilles
  • W
    W

    I have had this piece running through my head for the last week as a result of this.  Unlike a sappy pop song, it is wonderful to have something like this stuck in your head.  It reminds me of how great a composer John Williams is.  I love the way this music outlines in melody the chromatically shifting harmony so vividly, and the way he put into the melodies the "soaring" quality by having huge leaps everywhere.  What an awesome piece of music, and it fits the film flawlessly! 

  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @JBacal said:

    [...] I used one instance of the Vienna Suite Multiband Compressor with Dietz's preset  "Impress your client" [...]
    Honour to whom honour is due - this is one of the presets one of my favorite mastering engineers, Martin Scheer, created for the Vienna Suite (including the name). :-)
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • J
    J

    Jay,

    Approximately how long did it take you to create this mock-up? I'm still learning when it comes to midi orchestration and perhaps this is a question for others as well, but for this particular demo how much was step recorded vs performed realtime? I'm assuming only very fast/complex lines would be step recorded or do you just slow the tempo down far enough to perform the part?

    Thanks much!

    Jeff
  • H
    H

     I've just uploaded a new version with a faster tempo map, and some minor MIR mixing tweakings.

    best

    Herb
  • G
    G

    Heya,

    The new version is pretty nice! Its pretty interesting to see the diference btw 2 tempo even if not a big diference.

    I think now the debat will be more about the diferent taste of persons ^.^

    The 2 version stay big performance showing what we can get out of VSL and MIR.

    Now waiting for a version for mac :P

    Cya ^.^
  • J
    J

     Hey there, what string library did Jay use?? Sounds amazing... I think there were muted cellos at around 4:50 .. I am right?
  • R
    R

    Herb,

    Can you give more details on the "MIR mixing tweaks"?

    Richard