Yup I noticed no articulation/expression mapping which sucks.  I also noticed it doesn't say anywhere in the tech specs about it being 64-bit.  I also noticed it seems to be very geared towards guitarists at the moment and for Mainstage 2 live stuff.

I see lots of new features but none of which would make me upgrade unfortunately.  I would be interested however in seeing how the notation is holding up now.  I am really tired of spending money/using Sibelius just to create a score of my works.  Would prefer to use one application for all.

Obviously when it's officially in a lot more peoples hands and being used, we may see some benefits that I am missing at the moment.  I am sure someone will see the value in the upgrade.  I would just assume see my Logic 8 be updated.  Logic is also falling terribly behind as the midi editor choice.  I wouldn't any longer call it the king for midi.

I think it's still a 32-bit application, which is really a disappointment. I was hoping it would be 64-bit in preparation for Snow Leopard, which I think is supposed to come in September.  For my needs, I think I could probably skip the Logic 9 upgrade and just wait for Logic 10, which might be the 64-bit version.

Kerry

The fact that it's probably still a 32 bit app is completely unacceptable!  I'm starting to lose a faith a little in Logic.  With this new update, I'm not too happy with the direction that Apple seems to be going for...

Now Cubase 5 is starting to interest me a little...

@snajand said:

The fact that it's probably still a 32 bit app is completely unacceptable!

I think you're over-reacting a little. There's no point in releasing a 64 bit application for a 32 bit OS. I expect that once Snow Leopard is out they'll release a minor upgrade (9.1 or something) that will make it 64 bit. They did a similar upgrade for the switch from PPC to Intel processors.

Best,

M

I might be overreacting a little, that is true, but isn't Mac OS 10.5 already 64 bit capable, hence the possibility of having 32gb of ram?

@snajand said:

I might be overreacting a little, that is true, but isn't Mac OS 10.5 already 64 bit capable, hence the possibility of having 32gb of ram?

Hm true.

I guess in the case of using VE it wouldn't make sense indeed.  But what about with VI, wouldn't loading a lot of instances of VIs in logic benefit from a 64 bit host?  or are instances of VI connected to each other other than through the host?  I guess they'd have to make Logic 64bit able to open 32bit plugins....

I think I'm overreacting because I expected a lot more from this new version of Logic.

snajand

@snajand said:

Hm true.

I guess in the case of using VE it wouldn't make sense indeed.  But what about with VI, wouldn't loading a lot of instances of VIs in logic benefit from a 64 bit host?  or are instances of VI connected to each other other than through the host?  I guess they'd have to make Logic 64bit able to open 32bit plugins....

I think I'm overreacting because I expected a lot more from this new version of Logic.

snajand

It would only really make sense if VI was a 64bit plug. If not, then Logic would have to use some sort of bridging technology, which might work, but you would have no guarantees. I think you are better of with your 32bit sequencer and VE Pro.

I think all ProApps will get an update when Snow is out. Then you will get two things: 29€ for Snow, free update for your ProApp, and so you will be happy to have to buy an Intel Mac [;)] 

Hello

I had French Logic support, Logic 9 is 64 bit.

It is not advertised because Snow Leopard is not out !!

Best

Cyril

@Cyril said:

Hello

I had French Logic support, Logic 9 is 64 bit.

It is not advertised because Snow Leopard is not out !!

Best

Cyril

finally!!

... long awaited

64 bit means we can have more instruments working within logic. Not just VI but EXS 24, and all other plugs. I have quite a few 64 bit ready plugs myself so I'm looking forward to it. All I want to do is to be able to fill about 6 gig of RAM with my VI orchestra .. and have another gig free for some of the synth plugs I use .. then I could do everything on the one laptop. which would so kick ass.

I hope the upgrade to Logic 9 isn't too expensive though. I've rather enjoyed using Logic 8 .. even though the score editor is still crap for full orchestra. Hopefully that's something else they've sorted out .. or I'll seriously be looking into Finale for my next sequencer.

Jeez .. so much stuff to podcast on :P .. Yeah yeah I know I'm somewhat behind on that. All I can say is I've been real busy. But I'm planning to get a new show together to talk about my findings of the Vienna Suite, some other plug and software appraisals and perhaps even some thoughts on MIR and intergrating it into the studio setup. But my next imminent topic will be VE Pro.

I have new templates and such ready, with what I think it a nice sound and I'll be looking to explain all this soon. So if anyones still interested in the Podcast, it is coming back again. It's just taken the long way round to get there :P, but at least I've got lots to talk about now.

@hetoreyn said:

64 bit means we can have more instruments working within logic. Not just VI but EXS 24, and all other plugs.

Not necessarily. Don't count your chickens until you have tested all this. EXS has been able to address more than Logic's allocation of RAM since Logic 8, so there is no change there. I would also beware of thinking that you can use most of your RAM on your lappie for loading samples. OSX needs loads of RAM to overcome the streaming limitations imposed by the OS. I hope you're not disappointed when you eventually get it all running.

DG

hehe .. you mention an interesting point. I actually intend to have the full 8 gig of ram in my laptop .. and basically having 2 gig set aside for Logic, OS, and other such things that need space. I have figured that my requirements for running a full orchestra is around the 5-6 gig region. This still leaves an adequate safety zone for running everything else.

I've been producing full orchestral work, with a few hic cups obviously, with only 4 gig of Ram on a 2.4 ghz Macbook Pro. And that has served me pretty well thus far. I now have a 3 ghz Macbook Pro (17 inch) that can take upto 8 gig and so if Logic will play ball then I should actually have everything I want on one machine.

64 bit I think would be icing on the cake, ensuring that the Ram cap is suitably higher. But I can work without it if need be.

Overall I'm not so charged up about Logic 9 as I see no big improvements to the Score editor .. which it seriously needs. Seems that all they've done is incorporate stuff from Garageband into Logic. I'm sure there are some good improvements but I'm thinking it may be time for me to move on to an actual score sequencer and use Logic 8 as an audio multitrack system.

What i'd give for the boys at VSL to produce a sequencer .. man that'd be f**king sweet.

@hetoreyn said:

What i'd give for the boys at VSL to produce a sequencer .. man that'd be f**king sweet.

Yup, I've been saying that for years. But, you know, now that they have an integrated mixing/reverb environment, I'd have to say that an integrated 'scoring environment' would really be the next logical step. I'll believe when I see it, of course, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. With the amount work they've obviously put into MIR I don't think anyone could say that creating a sequencer/scoring package would be "too much work." They seem to be dedicated to making the best possible experience for orchestral composition at the computer. And a score-based sequencer would really complete the picture.

J.

Well I just confirmed you can bounce in place multi-timbral tracks in Logic 9.  You couldn't do this before.  This allows you to know bounce each of your VE3 sessions into one audio file.  This can save massive utilization.  You also have the ability to bounce one part of the multi-timbral instrument allowing you to bounce all 16 seperately to their own individual track.

Maestro2be

Another few things to note.  The spread of CPU load for people who have 4-8 cores is significantly better.  It is well distributed now.

One of my personal favorites is that the system overload messages have disappeared when hitting play the first time on a track.  That always pissed me off.  Even with 1 track of a solo violin it would crash and system overload the first time hitting play.  That doesn't happen now.

Most people are claiming that they don't even experience system overload messages at all anymore.  It has only been a few days but some of us have been purposely trying to reproduce the problems logic 8 had.  So far it has been wonderful.  Sure it has some bugs to be worked out and probably more when Snow Leopard comes out, but for now it is running better then 8 did.  Unless of course you were one of the users that never used any of the features in Logic 8 that had a bug.

*Additional note - getting lots of positive feedback that 9 is curing sluggish plug-in responses (such as gui loading times etc).  However there are some plug-ins that are not working with it at the moment.

Maestro2be

Is the score editor any better? ... if it's still the same crap as in Logic 8 then it ain't worth the upgrade for me.