Is this a solution and any idea how best to go about doing this? If I use MaxMSP it won't remember anything so I need to configure VE3 every time anew (which might just mean saving a VE3 instance so may not be a problem.
Getting very frustrated now!
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I hear you! I have Finale's 2010 update, and had these same issues you describe. I also updated to Sibelius 6 recently, and I've got that working pretty well with VSL SE Extended, with Plus strings, and several VSL download instruments. I've been with Finale since version 1.?, so I thought by now it'd be easier to make VSL work. I think there are 'sounsets' for Finale, but Sibelius 6 is really beginning to work nicely. So, I'm spending my time now in Sibelius. I went through the Vienna setup video for Sibelius, and it was right on. I still have a lot to learn, and I'll bet there are some who have Finale working just fine by now. I hope you get a good answere to your issues!
Regards,
You know, zentrumsounds, you might want to consider switching to a sequencer like Logic or Sonar instead of using notation software. I guess the consensus on the forum is that Sibelius is the most user friendly notation software with VSL but with Sonar, for example, you can still enter the notes in the Staff view like notation software, if that's how you like to work, and then edit them in the piano roll view. Granted, you probably won't have all of the same features that you would in your popular notation software applications but you might find that you have more editing flexibilty.
I own Finale myself but I only use it if I need a hard copy of my score.
Anyway, just a thought.
That's a good point, jasensmith. I use Logic and Pro Tools when I'm doing music that I don't need notated, and they both have a nice enough notation editor for some simpler things. Much more editing with these programs. I'm old enough that I really like using the 'old school' way of dealing with music. Plus, I really just want these notation softwares to work more like a good sequencer, which they may never really do...or I'll be long gone when they do!
You'd think, by now, somebody out there would have developed something that has the best of both worlds, or at least some kind of bridge that enables you to compose in, say, Finale and all of your notes are automatically translated into MIDI data into your favorite sequencer, like Sonar.
Man! I should have paid more attention in those computer programing classes I took back in high school. I'd be sitting on a gold mine right now.
Hi,
Finale is not really a writing tool (no matter how much Coda wants to advertize it for that). I use Digital Performer, save the file when I'm finished as a standard MIDI file, import into Finale and then spend about a week tweaking the scoree (dynamics, articulations, etc.). I know its a pain, but its better than pen on vellum.
Hello pscart.
I have PT 8. The only real thing I've done with it so far, is a Big Band arrangement of a Charie Parker tune (Donna Lee). The new Score feature is fine for some editing, but the MIDI page is still a lot better to work with. I'm working with Sibelius 6 right now, learning how to use it with VE, and PT does have a nice integration with Sibelius, so one can work back and forth with the two programs pretty well, at least as I can see so far.
The arrangement is not all VI instruments, and I haven't tranferred it to Sibelius from PT yet. Sorry, but I don't know much about the technicalities of these programs, and I don't do any live recording things with my system. I only have used PT 7.4.2 before PT 8.
Welcome back from your vacation Zentrumsounds and thank you for your very informative post.
I'm not sure where you're from but here in the states we have an expression we use that goes, "back in the day..." It's usually a preamble to exaggerated war stories or barstool booze reminiscing. I think we are currently living in "the day" when it comes to this technology. Some time in the future we may sit in retrospect and say, "remember back in the day when you used to have to... Man! What a pain in the ass that was."
Like any other art form there really is no right or wrong way of working with this stuff. My music knowledge comes from being a piano teacher so projects always start at the piano for me. I progressed to the piano from synthesizer keyboards because I'm a big 80's New Wave and Synth pop fan. For me, MIDI came naturally because I already understood how it worked and its possibilities from my synthesizer days (talk about "back in the day"). It's extremely difficult to be MIDI knowledgeable and not know anything about sequencers because they kind of go hand in hand. Subsequently, I prefer the sequencer approach.
You’re right. It's interesting to see how people use this technology. There are those who are obsessed with creating the authentic orchestral sound and they fuss with details like the perfect reverb, dynamic samples and layering string patches. I imagine they are the ones who like the notation software. Then there are those who try and break new MIDI ground and create a 1014 piece violin section or feed their brass patches through virtual guitar amps to hear what it sounds like. They would be sequencer users I suppose.
More than anything else, I think VSL is teaching me how to orchestrate or, as it more commonly refered to as, MIDIstrate which completely blew my expectations.
Food for thought