So this isn't the thread for VSL T-shirts?
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Time seems to have gone on - however there is one more Konzerthaus organ user also interested in a more specialised program. Being a keyboardist (not an organist) I am still learning about the various voices available, possible combinations (suitable for Bach, for instance) and I need all the assistance available. A kinder interface would certainly be helpful.
Keith
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If you want to have a real organ software you should you to look to another way: "Hauptwerk", before by crumhorn labs and now by milan digital it is the the ultimate sofware that you need for play organs, You could tune up every single pipe !!
Manuel Torregrosa
http://web.mac.com/manuel.torregrosa/
"Only for Organ and Orchestra players"
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Manuel,
I think that every body here want to use Vienna Konzerthaus Organ as real !
VSL is doing all possible to make us able to use Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, etc... as closed as real...
So, we simply ask the same for there wonderful Symphonic Organ.
No need for Hauptwerk software...
Jut be free to mixed any stops independently in any Division...
We need a Muti-patch boxe... (no limit of 3 patch)
Voilà
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If you want to have a real organ software you should you to look to another way: "Hauptwerk", before by crumhorn labs and now by milan digital it is the the ultimate sofware that you need for play organs, You could tune up every single pipe !!
Manuel Torregrosa
http://web.mac.com/manuel.torregrosa/
"Only for Organ and Orchestra players"this is a little off-topic.
i think everybody who uses Konzerthaus Organ is absolutely happy with the sound (at least I am), this thread is just about altering the user interface so that combining stops becomes faster.
you can do anything you want with Konzerthaus Organ right now (even "impossible" registrations), it´s just that some action has to be done in Logic, Cubase or whatever, thus slowing down the creative process.
(erm... well, you can´t tune up every single pipe with KO, but that´s okay for me... 😊 )
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Ok, I´m glad to hear that the Konzerthaus Organ is enough for all of you , only I would liked to help any body that would like to know and play the Organ in depth.
http://web.mac.com/manuel.torregrosa/
"Only for Organ and Orchestra players"
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@cm said:
i love bach's organ pieces ... for me bach is the mathematician under composers, the hard-rocker under classics, very nice done.
christian
bach would have loved a dedicated user interface.
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@William said:
Perhaps a different interface would be helpful, but the existing one is simple to use first of all, has many common registers set up already and you can do absolutely any combination of any stops by using one sequenced track on multiple VE strips. So you could set up one track with the notes that you would actually be playing on a live organ, and then set up for example four instruments on the same channel with a total of 8 stops of your own choosing. Or any number of others. The reasons I suggest that are if the organ is in an orchestral context the registers that already exist are almost certainly sufficient and also, if you are doing an organ solo you would naturally be able to create separate tracks as the focus is entirely on the organ and it is almost instantaneous to do a new track with different stops.
I wonder - Guy did a Bach Toccata and Fugue - was the existing interface slow to use on that?
I am not really arguing against another interface, but it involves making a new setup for the one instrument. And that complicates the very elegant system that VSL has evolved. There are organ solo libraries that have a customized organ interface, but they have no other instruments.
This is exactly like that percussion thread. People are demanding that the interface be changed in order to make it more like older sampler systems that did not have all the instruments VSL has with its highly evolved and very well-written single system. I like the fact that I can learn how to use the VSL interface, and then apply that knowledge to every single instrument tht might ever be used in an orchestral context.
to do the toccata and fugue by bach or anything you like: it takes about exactly realtime. choose any combination of stops and play.
the question is definitely not: is the interface fast enough. fast enough for what? to play bach?
the question is: how quick and intuitive can you set the stops. did you ever do that? setting the stops (orchestrating the organ, if you like) is a very important part of artistic organ playing. if i just want to check two different 8" stops, this takes me 1 second on a real organ, but 1 minute with the current interface.
there´s no complication necessary. are you sad that vsl changed the standard interface used with boesendorfer to the new vienna imperial? well, i think you´ll get over it.
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William, your points are largely correct in a recording situation. However, whilst the current VSL interface is superb for live playing of many orchestral intstruments, I struggle to understand how it could be thought of as anywhere near acceptable for live playing of a large-scale organ. In fairness to VSL, I accept that the VSL interface performs very well when using it for what it was primarily designed for. However, as an organist trying to use it for live playing of an organ (simply for my enjoyment, by the way), I am constantly disappointed and frustrated by it.
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sorry for my ignorance beeing just a fan of organ sound and music ...
but wouldn't it be necessary for live playing to have 3 or even 4 manuals mapped to seperate MIDI ports and MIDI controllers that work as stops (in german: Zugriegel Controller) and are mapped to the respective functions within VI?
christian
and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
