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  • http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_bc3_breath_controller.htm http://www.thomann.de/gb/midi_solutions_breath_cont_to_midi_box.htm Well these two together should form a pretty good team for a Breath Control unit. 230 Euros total. I might look into this myself I think. Typically I think one would plug both the keyboard and BC3 unit into the BC3a, and then have the output midi go into your Midi interface unit. So this is a good solution for those who don't have the breath Control port. You also mentioned that one can use the expression port on a keyboard for this .. which is interesting and I wonder if that would work. Perhaps I'll by the Headset first and try that. Heto

  •  All of you are pretty lucky. I'm still using a mouse to do my sequencing. At least it forces me to learn about note lengths.


  • I have a expression port on my UF8, I also have an 1/8" to 1/4" adapter. The BC3a has an 1/8" connection.

    I will see if the unit can be plugged into an expression port and still work.

    Trying it now............

    Nope it does not work. I thought it would, sorry to get your hopes up.

    The midi track does not register any info if the breath controller is connected to the expression port.

    David 


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    @ColinThomson said:

    Hetorey, you might be interested in this:

    Don't have any experiance with it, just found it on a google search. But it looks like it takes midi in from you keyboard controller, and midi info from the BC3a, and sends it out in one midi line. Has anyone had experiance with this? Is it a good option?

    Colin Thomson 

    I just ordered my MIDI Solutions Breath Controller Converter and a Yamaha BC3.
    I can't wait to try it on my Vienna Instruments.

    Daniël


  • Wow this look cool. I have a uf7 and i think you could be even more creative with this tool. I tried to look for video to see how others add's it to there music. Can you give us a little detail on how your using it. Thank for sharing.


  • Hi CplusE,

    Christian Kardeis is using the breath controller all the time [:)]

    Take a look at the Special Edition Demo Song #1 (you can see how it is applied in the "Project files". As you have not licensed a collection yet, as far as I can see, open the inlcuded MIDI file). The Video Tutorials should also be interesting for you!

    Best,

    Paul 


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @DG said:

    I have one, but have yet to master it. I'm totally useless with it ATM.

    DG

    I picked one of these up with high hopes of adding some nice smooth dynamics to my sequences, and I must say that I'm in the same as DG here.  I too am totally useless with it ATM, and I'm a wind player to boot!  Is it possible that my breath controller may be broken? 


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    @DG said:

    I have one, but have yet to master it. I'm totally useless with it ATM.

    DG

    I picked one of these up with high hopes of adding some nice smooth dynamics to my sequences, and I must say that I'm in the same as DG here.  I too am totally useless with it ATM, and I'm a wind player to boot!  Is it possible that my breath controller may be broken? 

    Since my original post I have improved a lot. However, the settings are really hard to get right, and the whole appliance feels very cheap and plasticy. I know that VSL doesn't want to get involved in the hardware game, but this is one specialised area that would be really helpful.

    DG


  • Anyone know if the BC3a breath controller works with the original DX7?  I got an old DX7 that I know worked with the original BC1, and at least the plug looks the same for both controllers.


  • DG

    I was wondering if you'd be willing (and anyone else as well) to share the settings that you use?  I've been using mine now for about a month now and I find that I have an easier time using the controller with the brass and wind sections than I do with the strings (which I guess makes sense).  I would really like to use it with the strings, but I just haven't been able to get the smoothness that I'm looking for.  I was just curious to hear how everyone uses their's and what settings they use (ie. what do you assign it to; Velocity X-fade, Expression, both)?

    --Lee


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    @pianoomann88_29968 said:

    DG

    I was wondering if you'd be willing (and anyone else as well) to share the settings that you use?  I've been using mine now for about a month now and I find that I have an easier time using the controller with the brass and wind sections than I do with the strings (which I guess makes sense).  I would really like to use it with the strings, but I just haven't been able to get the smoothness that I'm looking for.  I was just curious to hear how everyone uses their's and what settings they use (ie. what do you assign it to; Velocity X-fade, Expression, both)?

    --Lee

    I don't think that anything I share would help very much, as my system is probably not like anyone else's on the planet.....! Broadly speaking I assign Expression and Filter to the BC, but getting the curve right is the trick, and that is dependant on the setting with your BC, which I don't have access to.

    DG

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    @pianoomann88_29968 said:

    DG

    I was wondering if you'd be willing (and anyone else as well) to share the settings that you use?  I've been using mine now for about a month now and I find that I have an easier time using the controller with the brass and wind sections than I do with the strings (which I guess makes sense).  I would really like to use it with the strings, but I just haven't been able to get the smoothness that I'm looking for.  I was just curious to hear how everyone uses their's and what settings they use (ie. what do you assign it to; Velocity X-fade, Expression, both)?

    --Lee

     

    I use it only on Velocity X-fade.

    I use the BC3a together with the MIDI Solutions Breath Controller interface. I use the steps in the manual of this interface (http://www.midisolutions.com/bth.pdf)  to configure my BC3a.

    It says:
    The following procedure will help you obtain the optimalsettings for the Gain and Offset controls of the Yamaha BC3: Start by setting the Gain to approximately the halfway point. Then increase the Offset from zero until the Breath Controller just startsto transmit MIDI data (the LED will flicker). At this point decrease the Offset slightly. Then apply breath pressure to the BC3 to test these settings. Repeat the above procedure of adjusting the Offset with  different Gain settings until you have determined the optimal Gain and Offset positions.

    Good luck!


  • Thanks for your responses.  I guess what I really looking for is what sliders you assign the controller to and what kind of results you achieve with those settings and not so much of the actual settings/calibration of the BC3a itsself.  I find it interesting that you Daniel001 assign it to just the X-Fade, while DG assigns it to both X-Fade and Filter.  That at least gives me some settings to try and play around with.  Thanks again.  If anyone else has any setups they'd like to share, let me know.

    --Lee


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    @pianoomann88_29968 said:

      I find it interesting that you Daniel001 assign it to just the X-Fade, while DG assigns it to both X-Fade and Filter.  That at least gives me some settings to try and play around with.  Thanks again.  If anyone else has any setups they'd like to share, let me know.

    --Lee

     

    No, I don't assign it to xFade at all. Using xFade just introduces phasing, which I don't like.

    DG


  • Sorry about that DG [:)]  I meant to write Expression, but had X-Fade on the brain.

    --Lee


  • DG I'm doing the same thing as you with different curves on filter and expression assigned same cc.

    except without the breath controller.  I wish for some numbers showing values in these curve settings

    dadunn


  • DG is right - the controller is a little cheap in construction - you really have to tweak the the little 'button' on the headset to get the sensitivity right.

    I use the BC ONLY on WW and Brass sections (phasing is a problem for solos) - I'll try the expression and filter for solos though - sounds like it could work well (been doing that to date with foot controllers to some success but this could be better.   Thanks DG - good idea for the solo WW's / brass.

    I imagine you open up the filter as the expression increases (so is the filter sitting at 90% or so 'at rest' - once the BC is used it ranges 90-100%??

    Thanks in advance.

    Rob