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    Well, although I am not really a fan of Syncrosoft and their Mac support I think and saw tests that clearly indicate that the USB drivers in OSX are not the fastests. I mean you can experience that when you use a USB2-harddrive on Mac and on PC - in my experience PC is significantly faster.
    In the old days the the samples were not protected and the dongle driver were not independent from a company that really knew how to write efficient software for Macs.
    Andrea is still very active in EXS world but this has nothing anymore to do with exs and there is definitely not a lot information or sources available - well, it is copy protection :)
    best
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    @julian said:

     So what I've gleaned, with the help of Daryl, is that the Syncrosoft licence scanning can be as short as 3 seconds on a PC - I can't get it below 40" on my Mac, and that it is the content scanning (which appears to be similar between Mac and PC) that is taking up almost all the total launch time on PC and about 60% of the total launch time on Mac.

    I think that one of the reasons that my content scanning takes so long is that I have the samples spread over 5 hard drives. How many are you using, just so that I can do a proper comparison.

    However, it doesn't explain the huge disparity it time between standalone and plug.

    DG
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    @DG said:


    I think that one of the reasons that my content scanning takes so long is that I have the samples spread over 5 hard drives. How many are you using, just so that I can do a proper comparison.

    DG

     Well your content scanning isn't taking any longer than mine. I use 4 e-sata drives but they present to the Mac as a single Raid 0.For comparison the disc has all the DVD products installed plus the choir.

    I had wondered about configuring them as J-BOD but I ran a test and found the RAID would stream 600 stereo VSL samples simultaneously and gives more capability for multitrack audio work. It also loads into RAM at about 350 MB/SEC for stuff like photoshop but unfortunately on my drives VSL stuff loads at about 10% of that speed.

    Julian

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    @DG said:


    I think that one of the reasons that my content scanning takes so long is that I have the samples spread over 5 hard drives. How many are you using, just so that I can do a proper comparison.

    DG

     Well your content scanning isn't taking any longer than mine. I use 4 e-sata drives but they present to the Mac as a single Raid 0.For comparison the disc has all the DVD products installed plus the choir.

    Julian

    I think our times for the plug content scanning are about the same, but for standalone yours beats mine by a couple of minutes, taking into account the fact that the licence scanning is much quicker on my machine. [:^)]

    DG
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    Just wanted to chime in here and add my concerns that legitimate users are being punished here. There must be a better way. I don't have a huge VSL, but still find the wait for the copy protection very annoying. It is very unprofessional to have software not give any indication of what it is doing for such a long time. There should at least be a dialogue window with progress indicator immediately upon instantiating a VSL plugin. Currently you are left wondering if the computer has crashed because nothing seems to happen for about 20 seconds.
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     I agree....  I own everything that VI has to offer and loaded on a single Mac.  Do I pay the price at startup and reboots when something hangs!  The more modules you own, the more you pay in start-up time.  To me, this is just not right.  I was hoping that the licensing (which I agree needs to be done in today's world of copy happy people) could be consolidated.  For example, if someone owns the Cube,  rather than scanning all the modules in the Cube, just have one license that represents the Cube.  I know it not as straight forward as licensing each module individually, but the end customer is paying the price for adminstration simplicity.  I also realize that individuals such as myself who have the entire library loaded on one box, is paying a bigger price than those who can afford to have multiple slaves that spread the start up time accross several machines, and if a reboot is required, don't have to restart and rescan all the modules again -- only the box that contains the sequencer.  I'm hoping that the folks at VSL come up with some other solution in the near future, especially as the library and plug-ins continue to grow.  It's a great library but the security implementation is placing it in a bad light.

     

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    I couldn't agree more. Syncrosoft reminds me of the dark ages of the Gigastudio. Another lovely surprise form our friend Syncrosoft. Check this one out: Application 'Vienna Suite MCFACT' has caused the following error: Calling INIT method failed: NoRegisterSpace Please connect a valid eLicenser and restart application. GRRRRRRRRRRRR! I have a freeking vaild eLicenser! Solution: restart computer and wait another 10 minutes. After spending well over 10k I am not amused whatsoever.
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    Hi Bruce,

    the register space problem is a known issue if you run a  lot of licenses on your system and has been fixed with the latest LCC update.

    Do you run LCC version 5.4.10.8 ?

    best

    Herb
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    Hi Herb, I was using 5.4.10.4. I'll try the new one. Why have I never had such a problem with my Altiverb key? It just works. Period. I don't have to think about it. End of. There has to be a better way, sorry. A much better way for all of us. I cannot stress this enough.
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    i'd assume you don't have this amount of licenses on your iLok ... anyway ... i'd recommend to remove at occasion the expired demo licenses (and empty the LCC trash) ... you're jazz drums key is holding a lot of them ...

     

    of course i don't know your setup and how you inserted ViennaSuite instances - but earlier versions of LCC have the problem herb indicated when it comes close to 100 checked out licenses

    hth, christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    thank you CM. I cannot empty the trash can. there are 2 of them and 1 of them will not empty. there are no demo licenses showing.
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    CM, you've also mentioned expired demo licenses on my key, but I can't see any. Obviously, as a developer, you can see something that the end user can not.
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    Hi Christian, Just to note, I have no expired licenses on either of my two keys......
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    Guys, scanning the licences only takes a few seconds (obviously slower on OSX). It's the content scanning that takes so much time. FWIW if you set Altiverb to scan for content, this takes a while, and there is nowhere near as much content as with VSL. The question (IMO) is why does content have to be scanned?

    DG
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    abel, chuck, my reply referred to buce's post ...

     

    bruce, i've emailed you since i don't want to post key numbers here ... the essence was:

     

    to empty the trashcan please select from the menu *wizards* in LCC the *empty trashcan* wizard - a dialog similar to license transfer will appear

     

     

    DG, data content needs to be scanned becuse it can be spread across several disks, volumes, directories and the VI/VE has to know if those references are still existing as well as correspond with the available licenses, which also could have been transferred to another key since the last start

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    abel, chuck, my reply referred to buce's post ...

    DG, data content needs to be scanned becuse it can be spread across several disks, volumes, directories and the VI/VE has to know if those references are still existing as well as correspond with the available licenses, which also could have been transferred to another key since the last start

    christian

    I understand that, but it would be better if this could be a "scan by choice" option, maybe combined with Directory Manager. I never move my dongle, except when adding new licences, and I never change the content on the discs. I'm sure that many people working with a similar setup don't change stuff around much either. Therefore is it not possible for all content and paths to be assumed the same, unless told otherwise?

    DG
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    I'm totally with Daryl on this can't there be a "status quo" option? Julian
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    +1 a rescan should be a manual action. You don't move content and authorizations in every day use.
    If you change location of the samples, you have to update the paths in directory manager anyway. There are many programs using this approach, Altiverb being one of them.
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    Yes, I agree too. This sounds like a Directory Manager task not something that should be done with each license check. I have written to Syncrosoft with no effect. Could someone from VSL (might carry more weight) please tell the Syncrosoft programming team that it is completely unprofessional to have software freeze a computer for nearly half a minute with no message to the user whatsoever. There is no excuse for not putting up a message window giving the user some idea of what's going on. The first few times I loaded a VI I thought my computer had crashed. Tom
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    tom, writing to syncrosoft might be like barking up the wrong tree ... why (assuming you're on OS X):

    - open a license control center, you'll notice the icon in the dock, but for a few moments up to seconds no GUI appearing ... this is normal and you'll notice it for every application

    - open a stand-alone VE, you'll notice a message *scanning licenses* from the Vienna Ensemble software

    - insert VE as plugin such a message cannot reach the surface due to the nature of the neccessary *stacking*

    - host calls VE, VE calls VSLserver, VSLserver calls daenon, daemon calls LCC

    - now a server has no GUI by design (otherwise it would be an application)

    - not using a server would result in memory managed by the host so limiting the available ressources

    - the software does not freeze the computer, it is just busy

    - if your computer crashed during first times loading a VI this is probably related to a failed AU validation which is in most cases caused by corrupted permissions

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.