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Hello Stephen!
At the moment there are no plans for further human playback settings for Finale, but maybe things will change with Finale 2009.
To avoid confusion I would rather not make the Special Edition file available for everybody, but I can send it to you via email.
Andi
Hi Andi,
I request a copy of the human playback setting file for VSL Spec. Ed.. By the way, I thought about buying the spec. ed. when it came out, but I own about 2/3 of its content already, so it wasn't cost effective. It would be very cool if Vienna would consider lower pricing on Spec. Ed. for customers who already own a portion of the content.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve and Michael: I have sent you a mail.
Alain: Here is the "how to use" for the Finale 2008 file from the User area. These instructions will be in the same zip-file as the Finale file soon.
This is an empty Finale file with Human Playback Settings for the Vienna Special Edition. It does not work with other collections. These settings will take care of Keyswitches automatically, when you change articulations.
1. To communicate with the Vienna Ensemble, Finale needs a virtual MIDI device (like IAC on Mac or MIDI Yoke on PC). If you don't have it installed yet, do that first. If you have Vienna Ensemble on a different machine, you don't need the Virtual device. In this case you can work with your hardware MIDI connection.
2. Open the file Empty_VSL-SE-Playback.MUS with Finale.
3. Create the systems you need and make instrument and channel settings in the instrument list.
4. In MIDI/Audio go to MIDI Setup and choose your (virtual) MIDI device.
5. From the MIDI/Audio menu activate MIDI Playback (instead of VST Playback)
6. Open Vienna Ensemble, make the same channel settings as in Finale and load the matrices of the instruments from your score.
Best wishes,
Andi
Alain, sorry if that was not clear enough.
I will give you an example:
When you write a slur, the Human Playback settings will send the corresponding keyswitch, so that Vienna Ensemble switches to a legato patch. When you write a staccato mark, it will send the keyswitch for the staccato patch. ....
Andi
Hello Alain,
Just load the Special Edition matrices in Vienna Ensemble.
We call middle C C4, Finale calls it C3. That's why keyswitches in the Finale file are one octave lower. But that's just the name. In fact they are the same. Finale C0 = VSL C1
Is your MIDI connection working? Does Vienna Ensemble play anything?
Andi
Andi:
I have worked with Finale and Vienna SE the last couple of months and I created my own HP prefs for Vienna SE some time ago.
I took a brief look at the HP prefs on the VSL site and they seem ok, just one thing: Double Bass, Bass trombone and tuba has different keyswitches than the high pitched instruments (as I'm sure you know). You'll need to add these instruments and assign the correct keyswittches to them (C6-D#6 (F#6)) to the HP prefs to get them to work properly.
I could send you my HP prefs if you are interested.
Albert
@stevesong said:
As far as I can tell, the current iteration of Finale's Human Playback is incompatible with VE and VI because, among other things, regardless of the fact that you set the dynamics for sustaining interests to CC#11 + Key Velocity in Finale's HP preferences dialog box, Finale sends a stream of CC#7 data as well. When a file in which the preferences were set as described (for CC#11 + Key Velocity) and Finale's HP data was saved to the file and then transferred to Logic via a MIDI file, there was no trace of CC#11 data - - only CC#7 data. To get expressive playback with the current version of Finale one must enter the CC data manually, using the MIDI Tool.
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Stephen:
I succesfully saved a finale file as a standard midi file including CC#11 (instead of CC#7) data and continued to work with this project in Logic. It is possible. I also constructed my own HP prefs in Finale and the correct keyswitches were also applied to the file.
This was however some months ago but I seem to remember some buggy behavior with applying a custom HP prefs to a file. There was some problem getting the custom HP prefs to show when using the plugin. If you choose another HP prefs in the playback options you would still have the HP default prefs (for GPO) when using the plugin. I'm afraid I can't remember now how I solved this.
Albert
Stephen:
I succesfully saved a finale file as a standard midi file including CC#11 (instead of CC#7) data and continued to work with this project in Logic. It is possible. I also constructed my own HP prefs in Finale and the correct keyswitches were also applied to the file.
This was however some months ago but I seem to remember some buggy behavior with applying a custom HP prefs to a file. There was some problem getting the custom HP prefs to show when using the plugin. If you choose another HP prefs in the playback options you would still have the HP default prefs (for GPO) when using the plugin. I'm afraid I can't remember now how I solved this.
Albert
Albert:
Are you saying that you saved the MIDI file after having applied the HP plugin to it and found that you had CC#11 rather than CC#7 data when you opened it in Logic - - or are you saying that you manually wrote CC#11 data in Finale file with the MIDI Tool and it appeared correctly when you opened the MIDI file in Logic?
Thanks,
Stephen
@stevesong said:
Are you saying that you saved the MIDI file after having applied the HP plugin to it and found that you had CC#11 rather than CC#7 data when you opened it in Logic - -
Yes. Or more accurate, I changed "Dynamic Approach for Sustaining Instruments" to "Expression (CC#11)+Velocity" in my own set of HP prefs. (The default setting for GPO is "Automatic", usually this means volume controlled by CC#7)
The problem here is when you want to apply HP as a plugin. When you choose "Apply Human Playback" in the plugin meny and click on the Prefences button, only the Default Prefs for HP will show. You need to go back to the playback window, choose "HP prefences" and then attach your own set of HP prefs to the Active file. When you go back to the plugin preferences your own set of HP prefs should show as well.
This strange behavior is probably caused by a bug in Finale (another one...[:)])
Hi Andi,
I just e-mailed you my HP prefs. I hope they are some use to you.
Another thought: Have you been in contact with Robert Piechaud? Since he is the maker of Human Playback it would be nice if he could provide some help. He's always very busy (aren't we all?) but I did have some contact with him last year regarding HP prefs for full version of Kontakt and GPO (they needed some tweaking... [:)]) Maybe worth a shot?
Albert
Hi Albert!
Thanks for your settings. They are quite similar to those in my file (surprise ;-))
I made a new version of the Human Playback settings with low instruments included. The file should be online soon.
Oh and yes: I have already been in contact with Robert. [;)]
Best,
Andi
Hi Andi, you could add me as well to the list of volunteers for beta-testing of VSL/Finale! [:)]
Michael: I know you have done some HP prefs for some of the previous VSL libraries. Although they are not for SE they might be e start for HP prefs for the Cube and/or some of the bigger libraries?
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