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    ... BTW - I just read this again:

    @hermitage59 said:

    [...] Really great sound. I'm still experimenting with your 'Three Verbs' approach and finding out lots of useful stuff along the way that has improved my own output. [...]

    Thanks for the kind words. For the sake of completeness: The mix of "Nessun Dorma" was done on behalf of discrete multi-positional Impulse Responses from a single stage, so this is not directly comparable with the "Three Verbs"-approach you refer to.

    Kind regards,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @hermitage59 said:

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    Puccini, Michi, erm... Dietzy(?), and Ferdinand.
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    [[:D]]

    Hi 'Lexi,

    This would have to be "Puccini, Michi, Dietzi and Ferdi", of course. ;-D

    Lol.

    Naturally!

    Lexi.

    [[:D]]
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    @hermitage59 said:

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    Puccini, Michi, erm... Dietzy(?), and Ferdinand.
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    [[:D]]

    Hi 'Lexi,

    This would have to be "Puccini, Michi, Dietzi and Ferdi", of course. ;-D


    ...and don't forget nessi dormi [[;)]]

    Lol.
    No doubt 'Mozarti' is rolling in his grave at our dreadful humour!

    Lexi.

    [[:D]]
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    @hermitage59 said:

    [...] Really great sound. I'm still experimenting with your 'Three Verbs' approach and finding out lots of useful stuff along the way that has improved my own output. [...]

    Thanks for the kind words. For the sake of completeness: The mix of "Nessun Dorma" was done on behalf of discrete multi-positional Impulse Responses from a single stage, so this is not directly comparable with the "Three Verbs"-approach you refer to.

    Kind regards,

    Thanks for the clarity, Dietz. I can cope with the three verbs concept at the moment, and, trusting the ears, experimenting with possible combinations of verbs. I'm sharp enough to understand what you're talking about, but it will take practise and a lot of experimentation to grasp the finer nuances, and put that understanding into practise.

    As a middle aged fart who spent more time playing and writing than engineering, i'll have to learn to walk before i can run, and then fly!

    Regards,
    Lexi.
    (The musical Brontasaurus.)
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    @Dietz said:

    .....discrete multi-positional Impulse Responses.....


    I've tried this in the past with women, and had mixed results.

    [[:|]]
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    @Another User said:

    I got this piece done on a single DAW PC, with 4 gigs of RAM ("3 Giga switch" option enabled); none of the tracks were bounced into audio, and it was all sequenced in real-time.


    Is this a misprint - ONE COMPUTER? I thought far less-demanding libraries than VSL require up to EIGHT!

    Great work on the demo, Amit - however it was done. Would love to see a video of you (and others) actually doing this sorcery. Thanks.
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    @Another User said:

    Does anyone actually remember who wrote "Albinoni's Adagio"? I've forgotten.:

    DG

    Remo Giazotto composed Albinoni's  adagio in sol minore, in 1958 I think
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    No, the famous Albinoni Adagio was actually composed in fragments by Albinoni, and then expanded into an entire piece by Giazotto in the 1940s. There were melodic sections and a figured bass, which Giazotto expanded into a complete Adagio in the style typical of Albinoni's Concerto/Sonata adagio movements.  It is extremely well-written for strings by Giazotto, who also added the organ because it seemed approriate for the melancholy mood of the music..

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    I know Amit as customer of my IR libs - so after listening to his great piece I hoped he would help me to prove that you do not need "acoustical" IRs per se. But alas :P he used Audioease IRs for this piece, hehe ;-)

    Peter, stubborn as always ;-)

    PS: tomorrow I will receive my Appasionata strings! I can't wait!
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    L'Adagio in sol minore was first released in 1958 by Ricordi Milano, the original titel was:

    remo giazotto

    adagio in sol minore per archi e organo

    su due spunti tematici e su un basso numerato

    di tomaso albinoni

    It is a by copyright protected composition by musicologist Remo Giazotto. In the foreword it says that it is a Albinoni Triosonate in sol-minore without opus number. In 1945 Giazotto published the Albinoni index. Giazotto claimed that he received the original fragments from the Landesbibliothek Dresden, and that this fragments consisted of two handwritten fragments, a basso continuo and a 1st  violin, all together six measures.

    After his composition became a huge success, Prof. Giazotto was unable to show the fragments. The Adagio is his invention from A to Z.

    The Landesbibliothek Dresden stated that this to Albinoni attributed handwritten fragments do not exist, and was never part of the collection in Dresden. The chief of the Sächsischen Landesbibliothek said that the work is a blatant falsification, and added that he is surprised that after the immense profit not more musicologist counterfeit music. For me as composer it is obvious that the work is of 20th century origin. The bricolage on the virtual tinkered Adagio is total needless, quasi an ugly indignity.

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    "The bricolage on the virtual tinkered Adagio is total needless, quasi an ugly indignity."  - Angelo Clematide

    What in God's name does this mean?  Can't you just say something straight? 

    If you are sayng that the Giazotto composition is bad, you are wrong.  Because it is a great piece of scoring for strings that is admired and played regularly by people all over the world.  If you don't like it, that is your problem, but it is not a universal aesthetic principle. It is just your own lack of perception.

    Also, I am going by what was stated on preface to the score I used for the performance.  I guess you know more than the publisher of the music.
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    I already thought Angelo was a bit over-the-top with his anger and (justified) passionate reaction, but the remark about the "virtual" rendering and how it is presented is IMHO nothing more than a sheer insult at several people involved.

    Angelo, che GiaCazzo...
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    Of course is the Adagio by Remo Giazotto a very nice composition.

    For people who do not know how this work sounds, here an example:

    Adagio in sol minore by Remo Giazotto.mp3 (13 MB)

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/h73h47

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    Here the comparison of the dynamics between the recording on top, and

    the mock-up an elephant walked over it on the bottom:

     
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    Hehe, interesting:

    - was the mockup not normalized?

    - normally, the CBs give more power to the right channel. Not so in your screenshot of the mockup wave form.

    Haven't got time to start some comparisons myself now... Sorry, Holland-France is about to start :)

    Cheers,

    Peter

    PS: Angelo, I respect your knowledge and experience, but are you not too harsh on the people who worked hard on this mockup?
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    Of course my choix des mots is not from the diplomatic corps, and it is only arrogance if you're wrong, respectively the image of the Lord had been replaced by a mirror...

    Leonard Bernstein meet Herbert von Karajan for the first time in heaven. Without greeting each other Leonard said to Herbert: "I had a dream last night, God spoke to me and He said: Leonard you are the greatest". On which Herbert said: "Oh really, did I say that to you last night". 

    Here another...

    At one rehearsal, right at the beginning after four measures into the first movement of LvB's ninth Herbert von shouted at the orchestra: "Stop, stop, that all sounds like a bunch of boys banging with a soft dick on the timpano". All where perplexed, then the first violinist rose and said: "We expect an apology from you Sir". Herbert said; "Okay, sorry, let us continue". Next day before raising the batton Herbert announced: "Okay my musicians, yesterday after you all where gone I tested that on the timpano, and it really sounded like that".

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    Oh, gee thanks for the reference.  I have at least 20 different recordings of it (probably more) and have heard - and played - it in concert on multiple occasions, but thanks for illuminating our darkness with your (internet-obtained) brilliance.  And also - your approval of the composition. I am sure Giazotto just breathed a sigh of relief.  And many other people , who i am sure were losing sleep over whether or not you liked it.   
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    @William said:

    Oh, gee thanks for the reference.  I have at least 20 different recordings of it (probably more) and have heard - and played - it in concert on multiple occasions, but thanks for illuminating our darkness with your (internet-obtained) brilliance.  And also - your approval of the composition. I am sure Giazotto just breathed a sigh of relief.  And many other people , who i am sure were losing sleep over whether or not you liked it.   

    You get an invitaion to the Donaueschinger Musiktage if you are willing to play your Adagio version backward thru an Marshall cabinet

    http://www.swr.de/swr2/donaueschingen/-/id=100794/nid=100794/did=2179374/ps961w/index.html

    ... and Remo Giazotto, respectively his legal heirs are happy when you transfer the royalties on his behalf, Remo himself only turned in his grave when he heard your mock-up

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  • DietzD
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    Dear Forum-Members,

    as much as I like the fact that a one year old thread is still good for a heated discussion, I ask you to keep it at a friendly tone. I'm sure you all understand and stick to that rule.

    Kind regards,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Peter Emanuel Roos said:

    Sorry, Holland-France is about to start :)


    WOW!!!! Holland!!! The great under-achievers are doing really well. They beat both the World Cup finalists easily - just proving my point from 2 years ago that the standard of world cup teams was absolutely crap - in fact nearly the worst world cup ever.

    And now we have EU countries like France and Great Britain telling the Irish members that their referendum is a pile of sh!t and they are all sh!t and everyone in the whole of the EU are sh!t - except them - because now they have to go into a flat sulk for the next 100 years. I love Europe - it's a great place - apart from the politicians. :()()()()()()()