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    With VE2 you could use more than 4GB by running several instances of the standalone version: that was a perfect workaround for the 32-bit-limitations. What I find *really* disappointing is that this workaround doesn't work any more with VE3 -- a big step backwards...

    Cheers

    Pitt
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    @DG said:

    Was that a pig flying by?

    ROTFL - that reminds me on the pink floyd animals tour ... at least i think it was called so ... or was it dark side of the moon?

     

    stevesong gave already the right overview and searching for OSX and 64bit here in the forum might dig out a series of further explanations

     

    sidestep: pitt, VE3 is intentionally a network solution and AFAIK the stand-alone can open as many instances as the VE2 stand-alone (remember: separate process = separate memory space up to what the 64bit operating system allows)

     

    back to the flying pig ... i'd consider it actually as ridiculous to call for handing over VI to the Open Source (would you ask this for kontakt, giga and EXS too?

    and: how would you think *open source* will setup a license agreement with syncrosoft?

    or at first: with VSL, because which other sounds than such configured by VSL would even be able to use this very complex engine?

     

    so to counterquestion this clearly: do you expect VSL to make performance detection open source?

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    I feel very very sad today.

    Firstly, the 64 bit OSX news above...which I appreciate the details on

    Then I find that Sibelius is somehow unable to load more than 1.78G of sounds in 2 instances of VE2 within the VSL service.

    Then this bit of news that VE 3 doesnt really support multiple instances.

    So, whats the best course of action here? Do we use VE2 in stand alone instances, when working from one machine until something is fixed?
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    [quote=composer22]I feel very very sad today.

    If you tell us more about what machine, what workflow etc., you will get good advice on the best, temporary course of action for you.

    DG
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    @composer22 said:

    Then this bit of news that VE 3 doesnt really support multiple instances.

    sorry, i don't understand this statement ... i have seen with my own eyes multiple instances of VE (3) open across network or actually on the localhost.

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    That would be very helpful and appreciated.

    MAIN DAW
    Mac Pro 8 (early 2008) 2.88Gz
    16 Gig Ram
    3 GT050Q eSata Drives (500 [VSL SE] + 500 [Empty] + 250[audio] Gigs each)
    3 internals Drives (1 = boot; 2 + 3 RAID 0 samples 1T; 4 = audio 500G)
    No Audio Card - currently have JackOSX installed until I figure out what PCIe want to buy
    Sonnet EP4 eSata Controller
    30" Cinematic Display
    21" Samsung Syncmaster
    Keystation 88
    Performer
    Logic Studio
    Altiverb
    Finale
    Sibelius
    VSL SE PLUS FULL
    Ivory
    Other legacy GigaStudio crappy sounds.
    SLAVE via Ethernet
    mac Book Pro 2.33Gz 3G Ram 7200 internal drive
    Logic Node
    Sibelius
    Finale

    Currently score writing capability a priority for current short term projects. Would like to utilize Sibelius for composition, orchestration mockups and take advantage of sound sets for VSL SE. At some point export into Logic for cleanup and mastering. Heavy Finale user but presently moving away for standardization purposes with other people I work with. Any standarizations here will be distributed to my partners

    Toward end of summer, have a small number of film gigs and will need the more elaborate sequencer setup + additional VSL samples hence why so many drives are there right at the start. Need to flush out the templates I will need with partners who are working on their own rigs hence why configuring early (and dumping old PC crapola). workflow time period will be critical, so we are coordinating for dry rehearsals of interfacing with each other since we all live all over the place.

    Where I am now with Sibelius workaround. I managed to create IAC buses enabling them in stand alone version of VSL SE. In Sibelius, these buses show up, but I am trying to get the soundsets to be available for these general MIDI instances. I believe the only change I need to make is to change the tag in the XML file to MIDI in a copy of VE Special Edition PLUS (Sib 5.2).xml and drop this change into user/foo/library/application support/sibelius software/sounds?
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    I think core technologies could remain under VSL and be binaries that they could link in during a build. The rest could be open license - GUI and general drivers etc. This is not unusual for open source projects to have some black boxing and clean room control for licensed or proprietary technologies that need to be protected.
  • cmC
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    well, exactly the GUI is what's troublesome often ... the server is a *snap* to be done in 64bit (AFAIK it already compiles well with a beta version of the carbon API) ... anyway ... as long as i am only somehow in touch with support issues you will see me strictly voting against opensource.

     

    regarding your post with the setup above: if i understand this right your main DAW is used as MASTER and the macBook as SLAVE (not clear to me from where sibelius acts) - but have you already considered to change roles? on the main DAW out of logic it shouldn't be a problem to run VE3 then as localhost after export.

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Everything is running on the DAW side now. The MBP is waaay too slow for working, the hard drive very small, + the screen resolution is painful - unable to support full resolution of this monitor. Small memory. Late 2006 purchase. Already thought about this and had it in mind when I went here. I'll use it for light edits and mastering on the road.

    Love this MP 8 btw. Really tough using the MBP sometimes.

    Not sure the benefit of flipping MASTER / SLAVE roles at this point? The current MASTER would still be restricted by memory ceiling of VE 2 or VE 3 instances if made into a Slave.
    Basically, just trying to get instances up and working with Sibelius on MASTER right now so I can orchestrate these sketches and compose out another work asap.

    PS: Any chance we could shortcut the GUI and just have a XML script or some other language / text to load samples etc into a daemon for VE instances? Most cases we dont need the dynamics of a UI and can set these static...just an idea
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    [quote=composer22]Not sure the benefit of flipping MASTER / SLAVE roles at this point? The current MASTER would still be restricted by memory ceiling of VE 2 or VE 3 instances if made into a Slave.

    The benefit, IMO, would be running XP64 on the Mac Pro via Bootcamp and being able to load many more samples over the network, without having to resort to clunky workarounds. That way, when 64bit is possible on OSX you could use the same machine the other way round; or not.

    Of course the problem for you is that you run logic and DP, neither of which work in Windows, so I don't think that there is another neat solution.

    DG
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    @Another User said:

    Hi Steve,
    that´s correct.

    ... or did I misunderstand it? (Actually I hope so!)

    Pitt 
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    Yeah the Logic would be a major diskspace problem on MBP. i could probably load in DP on MBP. I thought about VM's but that probably would be too slow considering Parallels uses single core I believe. I dont know about VMware. I suspect similar problems. Then the samples would also have to be loaded onto a NTFS or similar XP formatted drive if I go that route. I would HATE to touch a windoze product again...yukki
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    @composer22 said:

    [...] I would HATE to touch a windoze product again...yukki
    An Austrian proverb: "Vor der vollen Schuessel verhungern." (... starving in front of the food-filled pot). 8-)
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @composer22 said:

    I would HATE to touch a windoze product again...yukki

    Or an English staying; Cut off your nose to spite your face. [:P]

    Anyway. Your choice in the end. Meanwhile I'm quite happy loading my 7.5GB template on one computer using plugin instances, and not having to worry about virtual MIDI cables, Soundflower Jack Sh*t. [:)]

    DG
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    @Another User said:

    2. Regardless of the number of instances, the 32bit version of the VE3 standalone is limited to ~3.2G

    that's correct - as any other 32bit program the addressable memory space per process is 4 GB, in fact less ...

    let me double check if seperate processes open when i'm in the office tomorrow - i don't have a mac with large memory here

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    Yes, the big question is: do several instances of VE3 standalone access 3.2 GB *each* or do they share the same 3.2 GB of memory? If the former is true, I'll hurry off buying a Mac Pro with 16 GB of RAM...
  • cmC
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    i think a picture says more than 100 words ... however as mentioned: i can't fill both instances with 3.2 GB on this machine here because of too little memory

    2 instances of VE3

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    "An Austrian proverb: "Vor der vollen Schuessel verhungern." (... starving in front of the food-filled pot). 8-)"

    an old German saying...

    "Better to starve a slow death than to eat from a pot of Austrian poisoned bait..."
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    @DG said:

    Or an English staying; Cut off your nose to spite your face.

     

    Anyway. Your choice in the end. Meanwhile I'm quite happy loading my 7.5GB template on one computer using plugin instances, and not having to worry about virtual MIDI cables, Soundflower Jack Sh*t.

     

    DG

    Unless that nose is attached to an English Limey...

    Yesterday, I loaded up 4 VE instances - around 5 GIG outside of Sibelius. MIDI routing was not all that difficult. JackOSX is up and running but needs extensive testing. Wasn't all that difficult to configure, but since it is a daemon acting as a bottleneck, and utilizing central processors I am suspicious about the number of channels you can maintain with it in real time. It may be an acceptable short term solution until a 64bit version comes out (if it does), or getting a idealistic soundcard that I need.

    My past experience with tuning up XP for Audio and BSOD's lead me away from MS and convincingly into unix. Make a clean break with your bad relationships and don't look back.

    I may reconsider at some point, but for now this is what I have been given to work with. I still think a VM Ware solution might work here
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    @cm said:

    i think a picture says more than 100 words ... however as mentioned: i can't fill both instances with 3.2 GB on this machine here because of too little memory

    Did you manage to test it on a machine with more than 4 GB?

    As I said earlier, I am considering buying a Mac Pro with lots of RAM. My question: Will it be possible to run several instances of VE3 connected to the sequencer (DP in my case) on the same machine, so that every instance of VE3 can use its own 3.2 GB of memory?

    Cheers

    Pitt