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Hi Christian,
Just on more question about the Ethernet conexion.
If I connect my two Mac directly without going through the Hub it will automatically be in Gigabit or is there anything i should do to set up the Mac ?
I'd like to make the test before investing into the new Ethernet Gigabit Hub ;-)
Thanks Martin ;-)
Apparently both my Mac give me the option for 1000BaseT Ethernet connexion so i guess they are ok for Gigabit Network...then a friend told me i just have to buy a switch and not a router as my freebox is allready a router...so 'ill try that and keep you posted !
thanks for the helps and tips.
stephane
It's true what your friend says: most routers are 10 or 100 base, not 1000 (ie gigabit).
However, Apples latest Airport (not the express) offers a couple of ethernet ports at 1000 base, as well as being a router. However, it does not route from ADSL, only DSL which is the standard in the US. A cheaper solution would be a gigabit switch, offering you the same result. This does not route, but optimises network flow - you have your router already.
Your setup would be (to be optimised):
Your ROUTER connects to the internet in its normal way (via ADSL filter/telephone line or whatever).
You then connect an ethernet cable form this to your SWITCH.
Connect another cable from Mac A to your SWITCH.
Connect your final (3rd) cable from Mac B to the SWITCH.
Most Gb switches come with about 8 ports. They can be noisy as they are fan cooled usually. I have mine on another location.
Both macs will be on the internet (at a theoretical 100 base speed) whilst connected to EACH OTHER at 1000 base.
Gigabit routers are surprisingly tricky to get hold of - try online, that's what I did. They're not outrageously expensive and well worth it to sort out your situation. If you can get one without a fan, fantastic. Mine is a linksys.
You could of course connect the two Macs together with a single cable (no switch) but not be online on either Mac. Unless one of these macs has two Ethernet ports, one of which could connect direct to the router (ie internet).
By the way - all Macs that are younger than about 6 years have Gigabit Ethernet ports - unlike most PC's which come pre-configured as 100 base.
Clear as Mud?
attention: AFAIK the iMac G5s have 100 Mbit only ... 10 base-T (10 Mbit devices) should be no longer in use i'd suppose since about 10 years .... 100 base-T is pretty old already ... if routers have 10 Mbit ports than probably on the WAN-side (Wide Area Network = internet)
connecting 2 ethernet ports directly (using a cable) works fine if at least one of them is gigabit (these are autodecting the type of connection) - connecting 2 100 Mbit ethernet devices directly needs a *cross-over cable*
christian
Thanks to both of you for those answer and tips !
actualy i tried to connect both my mac together but it didn't work, not shure my cable is apropriate thought, i should make some further testing !
Both my mac offer me the option to switch to 1000 base T but then it doesn't work ! again i'm not shure my cables are apropriate...
As for switch o didn't found anything interestig yet...some old 5 port Giga switch working with PCI card !! i hope they exist in Ethernet only...have to check that to ;-)
So all is not working yet for me but they are some areas i have to get some more information about (switch, cables etc...) and i'll be ready to go i guess...
i'll keep you posted as it might be usefull for other user that, like me, are not pro on the network subject :-)
stephane.
some old 5 port Giga switch working with PCI cardi don't know such devices - and i would prefer a dedicated box anyway ... reliable gigabit switches are available at USD/EUR 100.- already.
gigabit ports are autosensing (speed and polarity of the cable) so any good cable will do the job ...
christian
Hi Christian,
In system pref/network/ ethernet configuration / manual advanced mode i have 3 options : 10baseT/UTP - 100 base TX - and 1000 base T all with different duplex semi duplex etc...options.
i tried to force to 1000 base T but then Ethernet doesn't seems to work, basicaly it works in 100 base TX when connected to my router 4 port witch is connected to the freebox (witch is like another router as i understand it)
If follow your explanation i could leave this in automatic mode as it find the apropriate connection speed, but i thought like for manual IP adress vs DHCP i should set it up manually so it is stable...
For the cable i'll see what happens when i'll connect a Giga switch into my network and then test VE3 and see if it works fine.
As for the switch i'll have to do further research because what i found is a : TRENDNET TEG-S80TXE (8 port around 50 euros)and it was used on Mac G4 !! and need a PCI slot available !! i'm not getting this very clear i admit but as i said, need to be looked closer...
otherwise they are plenty of 24 or 26 port switch for around 100 euros and that's probably what you think i should get...right ? (even if i don't need so many ports)
cheers
stephane
i see - if your network port is connected to a router which can only 100Mbit, than changing manually the speed to 1 Gbit will have no effect - except that communication stops between both devices .... you need either a direct cable between 1 Gbit ethernet ports or a gigabit switch between them.
be aware of the dumping strategy of too many suppliers and don't buy switches which are too cheap .... often their backplane cannot handle the traffic appropriately - stay with trademarks a cisco, 3com, netgear (t name a few) - i had bad experience with D-Link and LinkSys lately ...
8 ports for about 100 USD/EUR should be the range of good quality devices ... same goes for additional network cards btw, use intel, broadcom, 3Com even if they cost a few bucks more ...
the PCI-based switch you are referring to probably leaves the work to the computer - so i cannot recommend such a device ...
christian
Hi Christian,
I made the followind testing with no more succes :
Connecting directly the 2 mac together through Ethernet (not cennected to internet) with a cross-over cable and once with automatic setings (DHCP / Autoselect speed) and second with manual setings (manual IP, no DNS, no Router, forced to 1000 base-T, the mode "command+K" working fine so the see eatch other...) and i steel get audio drop out !
so i wonder if any of this will change with a switch between them as the setings should be the same (exept DNS & router adress) ?
What am i doing wrong here ? i thought i underdstand all you tald me but eather something is not working for my setup or I missed something you explained to me...sorry for being so slow ;-)
There is a situation that can occur with a few Apple laptop models (older Macbooks and MBP's), where an active Airport can cause timing interruptions in the traffic flowing on the Gigabit port. (probably when scanning for wireless networks). VE3 is very sensitive to such interruptions.
Please disable the airport on the laptop and see if this helps for you.
Thanks,
Martin
Hi Martin and Christian,
I wanted to thank you for your helps so far, even if we didn't found where the problem came from.
I'll be off my studio untill mai 12th and my demo version will come to and end so I don't know what to think know...
VE3 seem to be a good solution and 'ill be ok to spend the 95 euros for the definitive authorisation but i'll be in a much better
situation if i knew this is working fine on my system or knowing what's wrong in my system to make it work properly.
If you have further ideas please let me know and i'll check that when i'll come back.
regards
stephane
