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  • Vienna Ensemble... should I?

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    Hi to you all,

    The VE looks very promising, and I'm very thankful for this free tool!

    And eager to install it as you may guess.

    But... as I'm in the middle of a big project, I'm a bit hesitant wether to install it at this moment or not.

    Questions pop up like: will I be able to open my previous project-files (in Nuendo)  that use VI's (without VE) without trouble?

    And most of all: can I run it with my current configuration?

    Specs are: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ / 2.41 Ghz / 2 GB of Ram / Hardware Raid controller / Windows XP Pro Version 2002 , SP2 

    Video: 2 x NVidia GeForce 6600 GT  (to run 4 monitors)

    DAW: Nuendo 3 

    Big thanks in advance!

    Alex 
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    Don't do it. You will spend time setting things up, and there is no guarantee that it will work the same way as your current set-up. Tread carefully.

    Regarding previous projects, I guess that this will depend on whether or not VE overwrites VI. I will be checking out these things over the weekend, but not in Studio 1. [;)]

    DG
  • cmC
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    cmC

    as far as i noticed it overwrites the vsldaemon, so you should make sure this process is not running during the install (best practice: reboot before)

    under windows you could also do a clean uninstall from add/remove software (control panel), which i did with several beta builds successfully here.

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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     Thanks DG, wisely spoken. I'm curious to hear about the results of your weekend-research, as I have only 1 Studio and can't mess with that one right now [;)]

    Cheers,

    Alex 
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     Hi Christian,

    Thanks for the tip. What I'm really curious about is: how does it affect pre-VE projects that include VI-instances (as VST in Nuendo).

    Will they open the same, correct settings and all...?

    Kind regards,

    Alex 
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Alex,

    the Vienna Ensemble does not affect the Vienna Instruments, each song will open just as before.

    You are simply adding another powerful software to your arsenal [:)]

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    @Alex O said:

     Thanks DG, wisely spoken. I'm curious to hear about the results of your weekend-research, as I have only 1 Studio and can't mess with that one right now

    Cheers,

    Alex 

    I'll keep you posted. However, already my assistant has already had to perform the three fingered salute, simply for Ctrl clicking (so he says). Early days yet....

    DG
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    @Paul said:

    Hi Alex,

    the Vienna Ensemble does not affect the Vienna Instruments, each song will open just as before.

    You are simply adding another powerful software to your arsenal 

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul, this is good news, and makes the FXT implementation even more important, as it will be necessary to run both in tandem for a while.

    DG
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    @Paul said:

    the Vienna Ensemble does not affect the Vienna Instruments, each song will open just as before.

    You are simply adding another powerful software to your arsenal 

     

    Cool, that's what I was worried about. I'll give it a shot tomorrow then!

    Thank you all for your replies and have a Nice Weekend (won't be a problem I guess,  with such a promising new toy[:P])

    Alex 
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    Hi Paul,

    I'm a little confused about what the VE actually is, as compared to the VI player.  Is the VE only for a user who's running VI's on a separate mac?

    Kerry 
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    Think of the VE as a mixing console first .. that you can fit the VI's into. This means you can run the VI's outside f your sequencer thus taking the RAM strain off the sequencer. The VI player is more akin to the EXS player.
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    Hmmm... does that mean that if I open it up in Logic as an AU, it doesn't take RAM away from Logic?  Since I work with VI's as individual tracks in Logic, I'm trying to figure out exactly how this would be different (i.e. beneficial) for me....

    Kerry 
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    Well yeah .. of course it does. But so do the VI's if you're using them as a plugin. The point is that you can use the VE within Logic if you want to. Eventually when 64 bit comes in proper .. and logic 8 is the big player .. you'll be able to use as much system RAM as you want in Logic. But for now you can load things in Logic .. and also have more instruments externally. ..... For instance, I have 8 gig of RAM. But Logic can only use 3.7 gigs. So if I load Logic full of VI's or VE's .. and then also use the VE externally .. I can have more instruments.
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    So here's the other question, because I've never used anything externally... how does one use VE outside of Logic?  The concept sounds great, but  I've never had to do that before.  Is it set up in the Environment window somehow as an instrument?

    Kerry 
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Kerry,

    the Vienna Ensemble works as a seperate application, even when used as a plugin (like the Vienna Instruments).

    This way you can fill up your RAM with, e.g., EXS24 samples (max. 2.8 - 3GB), then add the same amount for the Vienna Ensemble and do the same with Vienna Instruments, if you want.

    That´s the most efficient way to use RAM on 1 Mac.

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    Thanks Paul and heteroyn -- that makes it all make sense. And now I see why everyone is so psyched about it! It really opens up the possibility for a much larger orchestra, even on 1 mac. Kerry
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    It is a cool thing. Your last question was how does one get logic to use anything in the External VE. That's to do with the virtual midi ports. I haven't tried it myself yet .. but I think the idea is that you set up as many Ports as you like .. upto 8. And each of those can use 16 midi channels. So lets say you have port 1 is your strings .... port 2 is your woodwinds .. etc .. and each of those ports can have upto 16 seperate instruments. .... Though I'm sure one can do much more with it .. but this is my understanding of it.
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    That sounds like one of those things that's confusing in concept, but easier to figure out when it's right in front of me & I'm trying to make it work!

    Thanks Het,

    Kerry