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    "As I mentioned this a question which assumes that the composition is right. This question starts after that."  - Mathis

    If the composition is right then YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

    Again, check out Vertigo. Last scene.

    All technicalities pale in comparison to that kind of composition.  Art can absolutely destroy all of the techniques that anyone can create.
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    @William said:

    "As I mentioned this a question which assumes that the composition is right. This question starts after that."  - Mathis

    That is ridiculous.

    If the composition is right then YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

    Again, check out Vertigo. Last scene.

    All of your technicalities pale in comparison to THAT kind of composition.  Art can absolutely DESTROY all of the techniques that little burrowing worms like Angelo Clematide ever create.

    No further comment.

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    I rewrote the post to be more polite.  Never mind.

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    Besides, I don't think you are a little burrowing worm at all, Angelo.

    I think you're a big fat one.

      

    Just a joke!  Don't your fingers ever get carried away on a keyboard???  Besides, being a trained surrealist it is my duty to allow subconscious mentation equal representation with that of the conscious mind. It is a duty, in fact, that I take very seriously. And since you inspire extreme subconsciousness in me, it is inevitable that disturbing mental contents will find their way into conversation. So really, it has nothing to do with me or you at all. It is the Id. Fortunately there is no Krell brain boost or force field operating or everyone would be in big trouble.
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    I´ve become interested in this theory about soft and hard profiles when composing background music. Take a look at this site:

    http://www.soundofmusic.se/products/educationsamples.htm

    And here is a narrated audio drama I´m producing (swedish text, sorry!) that you are welcome to comment:

    http://hem.bredband.net/b807883/jstromgren_audiodramaclip.mp3

    English translation of the narrator here:

    http://vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7654

    /Johnny
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    There's too many great films with music going under dialogue for it to be considered an inherently bad idea. The change from guys like Herrmann and North (watch Sparticus if you want to see a happy marriage of m+d) is really that of style. North would get pretty melodic and active under and around dialogue and Herrmann well....would just be Herrmann. I think Herrmann's approach is more modern and easily translated into today's stylistic leanings. I once read that Goldsmith loved doing certain things under dialogue. Basically you try and avoid stepping on it rhythmically, sonically and any other way that directly competes with it or masks it. Of course music has been mixed down during dialogue too many times to count but as with the composers above, left completely alone.
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    @dpcon said:

    Basically you try and avoid stepping on it [...] sonically [...] that directly [...] masks it.
     

    Any idea where Goldsmith wrote about it? 
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    @lee said:

    I´ve become interested in this theory about soft and hard profiles when composing background music. Take a look at this site:

    http://www.soundofmusic.se/products/educationsamples.htm

     

    There is a lot to agree with here, that's for sure, and it's an interesting idea to divide sounds into hard and soft profile. I'll think over it for a while, thanks.

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    I can't remember mathis but it had to do with the use of strings. I think someone else was essentially criticizing Goldsmith for this thinking and quoting him how he loved to have strings (perhaps high?) going with dialogue. I don't remember the specifics but there are sure a lot of examples of music and dialogue to reference. In my post I started a new paragraph of my own approach writing "Basically you try and avoid stepping....etc. It ended up following the Goldsmith remark so please don't be mislead who said what. Of course people confuse me and Jerry all the time. ; )
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     I thought you are Jerry?
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    How did you know about my fantasy life? I'm on medication but I guess it's not quite working.
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