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  • First Special Brass Demos online

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    I'm happy that we finally can announce our first Special Brass demos.

    Carmen - Chanson du Toreador by Georges Bizet
    expertly performed by Jay Bacal offers a lyrical solo of the cornet.
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5043


    Sinfonietta (1st mov) by Leos Janacek
    another great performance by Jay Bacal featuring the trumpet ensemble,
    cornet, alto trombone and euphonium.
    The original orchestration is for 9 trumpets, 2 euphoniums, and 2 basstrumpets.
    The alto trombone is substituting the 2nd bass trumpet.
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5044


    Royal Brass Festival
    a great original composition by Beat Kaufmann
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5045


    Beat's Articulation Demos featuring all special brass instruments,
    you can hear these articulations (in this order):
    -stac
    -portato short
    -portato med
    -sus
    -dyn me 1,5s dim
    -dyn-me 3s cresc
    -fp
    -sffz
    -sfz
    -pfp 4s
    -perf leg (level 1)
    -perf marcato
    -perf marcato fa
    -perf leg (level 2)
    -perf rep
    -perf rep portato
    -perf rep staccato
    -perf trill

    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5046
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5047
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5048
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5049

    Finally Beat sent us also a small snippet of Star Wars:
    http://vsl.co.at/data/Sounds/MP3/VI_DEMOS/13_Special_Brass/BK_Starwars_Snippet.mp3
    http://vsl.co.at/data/Sounds/MP3/VI_DEMOS/13_Special_Brass/BK_Starwars_Snippet.zip

    Beat is also working on the Triumph March of Aida which should be ready end of this week.

    thanks a lot Beat and Jay!
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    I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?


    Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's


    Rob
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    I'd like to hear a full mock up of the main trumpet theme from Jurassic park. it's like 16 bars.
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    @Rob Elliott said:

    I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?
    Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's
    Rob

    Hello Rob
    Thanks for listening to my demos.
    The name "Stereo Enhancer" is a bit misleading in my case of using this effect... I always take this tool for making the audio signals from stereo to more mono.

    Beat
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Sincere apologies.

    I totally missed the Star Wars demos!

    Amazing!

    Carry on...

    Sevaels [:D]
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    That MUST be the Coronet featured in the solo passages, because it sounds SO SWEET!!
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    @Rob Elliott said:

    I am sure these will be good. Beat, I jumped to the original piece and on the tutorial you mention using a 'stereo enhancer' in C4. I am on C4 as well - why do you use this? Seem to help with what?
    Btw - very nice composition. Can't wait to get to the rest of yours and Jay's
    Rob

    Hello Rob
    Thanks for listening to my demos.
    The name "Stereo Enhancer" is a bit misleading in my case of using this effect... I always take this tool for making the audio signals from stereo to more mono.

    Beat

    Ahhh!! got ya - yes a very critical thing to do - collaspe the the stereo field.


    Rob
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    I'm officially excited.

    what's the range of the cornet and the euphonium please - in concert pitch
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    that performance trill sounds remarkably like a fluttertongue [H]

    Any chance of really hearing the Euphonium sing - The Swan would be ideal - pretty please.

    It'll be a couple of weeks before I can get mine.

    And then I can work on a virtual performance of my arrangemet of the entire nutcracker suite for tuba/euph quartet. You'll be so pleased [:D]
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    Thanks for all the good work, fellas!

    And thanks to the VSL team. That cornet is stunning.
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    @herb said:

    ...
    Carmen - Chanson du Toreador by Georges Bizet
    expertly performed by Jay Bacal offers a lyrical solo of the cornet...


    By the way > The good old First Edition > November 2003 > My class (Children aged 10) sings together with VSL ... Torreador/Valencia > Have fun (beside the Special Brass Edition)

    Beat Kaufmann
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Hey guys, I am still on the fence on this one. I really need to have enough BITE in the new trpts. Is that possible with the perf rep - stacc patches?


    This is a quick improvised example i just played into the daw of what my current 3-trpts in Vienna will do (have a little horn and bones as well) - but you will get the idea - will this new 6- trpts do something this fast WITH bite?

    (sorry for the flubs - just horsing around)


    http://www.robelliottmusic.com/mp3s/Action%20-%20Epic/trpts%20demo.mp3


    Rob
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    I'd love to know the same thing.

    [[;)]]
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    @Rob Elliott said:

    ... Is that possible with the perf rep - stacc patches?

    Rob

    Hello Rob
    Listen to the articulation-demo of the 6 trumpets >
    2nd half > There are some fast repetitions and
    runs with "perf trill". The 6 are as agil and fast as the 3 trumpets:
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=5049

    Beat
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    These demos sound great.

    But does anyone have a demo featuring [three trumpets] from the cube, so we can compare?

    I looked in brass I demos ant there are only solo instruments.

    Thanks.

    sasha
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    @sasha said:

    These demos sound great.
    But does anyone have a demo featuring [three trumpets] from the cube, so we can compare?
    I looked in brass I demos ant there are only solo instruments.
    Thanks.
    sasha

    Hello
    Pro Edition Brass Demos > Group Trumpets > 2 Demos
    http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3959/3757.vsl

    Beat
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    The cornet sounds wonderful in the high register, it also sounds less forceful than a trumpet and I'm wondering if it's any easier to play in that register than the trumpet? Certainly sounds like it, but I'm wondering if anybody would know that?
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    @Guy said:

    The cornet sounds wonderful in the high register, it also sounds less forceful than a trumpet and I'm wondering if it's any easier to play in that register than the trumpet? Certainly sounds like it, but I'm wondering if anybody would know that?


    If anything the cornet is more difficult to play in the very upper register although all good players should be able to play in the VSL range reasonably well.

    Trumpet players are probably expected to play higher.

    In the UK, and many european and antipodean countries the cornet is primarily used in Brass bands of whichthe line up is

    1 soprano cornet in Eb
    9 cornets in Bb
    1 flugel horn in Bb
    3 tenor horns in Eb (basically a baby tuba octave higher)
    2 baritone horns in Bb (same as euphonium but narrower bore)
    3 tenor trombones in Bb
    1 Bass Trombone
    2 Euphoniums in Bb
    2 EEb basses (tubas)
    2 BBb Basses (contrabass tubas)

    The cornet rarely features in the orchestra. I can think of several Berlioz scores which require 2 trumpets and 2 cornets.

    It does have a less strident sweeter sound than the trumpet and in the rght hands is very beautiful.

    Check the World of Brass website and listen to some sound samples.

    http://www.worldofbrass.eu/index-2.php
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    Very helpful information. Thanks!

    But my point was that the cornet seems to have some interesting qualities especially in the high register, the legato in that register is more effective than the trumpet for example, so this gave me an impression that it wasn't as forceful as the trumpet but I guess it is just sounds easier and smoother to the listener.
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    Thank you for the Special Brass demo - Those 6 trumpets are good but it seems that they sound close to the 3trumpets, contrary to the Epic Horns----> 4 Horns
    I need to test it by myself [:)]

    @vibrato said:

    I agree with Matt. I think a demo of Journey to the Island cue from Jurassic Park would make an excellent demo for the power trumpets.

    Tanuj


    http://ns31472.ovh.net/~saintsei/perso/samy/Jurassic.mp3

    This is a "light" version that I have made quickly with the 3-trpts - I am waiting for the 6-trpts to do more