@Laurent said:

Evan, you seems to have so much time to loose…
As always, you don't change, you get worse, and time will not help…

You think I come here for my health? I am a professional. That is why I recognize and try to help VSL see that some of the demos they use to sell their products aren't impressive. I have found demos on other sample lirbary websites, trying to sell VSL, that were completely unacceptable, especially considering what CAN be done with it. Having restraint is as good of a virtue as courage.

No, I do not have a lot of time on my hands, but I do indeed make it "seem so".

Evan Evans

@clarkcontrol said:

http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/3920/4695.vsl

Thanks for the link.

Jeez, who the hell was it in here who made this recommandation. READ THE F***** THREAD title people. VI=Vienna Instruments.

Stop wasting my time.

8 posts later we see that this is a PRO EDITION demo, that I heard ages ago. Gaaawwwd.

Moving on. This thread was NOT intended for recommending VI demos. I'll start a new thread for that, if I need to. Enough off topic posting, please.

Evan Evans

I'm pretty sure if you can do it with the PE you can do it with the VI, Evan.

Don't get your panties in a wad.

Clark

@clarkcontrol said:

Don't get your panties in a wad.
Clark

Hahahaha. Got a big belly laugh out of that. Good one! [[:)]]

No, it's just that these people go through so much trouble to try and make me look "evil", and in the meantime I have to try and defend myself, and then I find out I've been wasting my time cause someone's "claim de resistance" isn't even f****** relevant. Out here, in Hollywood, someone like that would be kciked on his *** for making such an oversight. I don't like dealing with such non chalant attitudes. I prefer and enjoy those who you can trust won't make mistakes in the line of fire, when it comes time to rise to the occassion.

Ok, panties unbunched now. [[:)]]

Evan

P.S. I wonder where the hell that expression came from. Probably like Bridget Bardot, once said "ugg, I feel so terrible today, and now ..." reaching down into her pants and tugging and rubbing, "...my panties are in a bunch, arg."

@clarkcontrol said:

I'm pretty sure if you can do it with the PE you can do it with the VI, Evan.

I am not so sure. The demos show otherwise. They are no where near the quality of the PE demos, on a whole.

Whatever ... I bought them, I got them sitting right here. I will find out soon enough, why so many of the VI demos s***. Is it the person? Is it the design? Is it the samples? (rubs beard) We shall see ...

Evan Evans

"You have to admit though, VSL is a huge learning curve compared to some libraries."

I dunno. If you start with the premise that what makes a library take time to learn is getting the sound of the articulations in your head, for me the hardest one to learn is EWQLSO - only because it has a lot of articulations and they're all different from instrument to instrument. That's not a dis, by the way - it's a perfectly valid choice to do it that way.

VSL is consistent from instrument to instrument, and I think that makes it easier to learn. Plus its labeling is easy to follow, especially in the V.I. player. The player itself is a little tricky and it works differently from the standard 1-track-one-articulation system, but I wouldn't say it's difficult.

SI is the easiest to learn, and in many ways it's the simplest library of the three. That's also not necessarily a dis, in fact its approachability is what I like about it.

Evan,

It wasn't an oversight. I knew it was a PE demo. If I was to direct you to a VI demo to try and sell you on the SE--THAT would be misleading.

Because the PE has been absorbed into the content of the VI, I thought the logic would be valid, even to you.

IMO, "La Mer" is the best demo of them all. Does that mean that the VI is a step backwards from the PE?

Of course not, silly. It just means that it's the best demo (that could be realized with the VI as well, I'm sure). I do agree that alot of the PE demos sound as good or better than many of the new ones. Maybe people are spending less time on them...

Clark

P.S. I would be interested in your evaluation of the VI concerning these worries of yours, Evan.

@Nick Batzdorf said:

"You have to admit though, VSL is a huge learning curve compared to some libraries."

I dunno. If you start with the premise that what makes a library take time to learn is getting the sound of the articulations in your head, for me the hardest one to learn is EWQLSO

I have to agree with you Nick. From a learning curve perspective it's one of the easiest. And indeed that is the premise behind the VI tools. It's so easy they autosense how you are playing and switch for you so that the difficulty of constructing music with disjointed samples is ... well...easy.

But maybe what he meant was, it's a big learning curve to make it "sound real". That could be what it is.

Evan Evans

@Another User said:

I would be interested in your evaluation of the VI concerning these worries of yours, Evan.

Thanks, I will probably post how I am pleasantly surprised. I love VSL. I really do like the people. I don't think they run their corporation ideally, but so what? They are kindred spirit on a personal level. We all love technology, have a passion for music, Herb and I share a love for film music, they have always been nice to me in person, and it's simply nothign personal. Just professional issues. And I am not going to let myself be biased by any predispositions of mine. I refuse to ever bring "baggage" to a fresh evaluation.

Evan Evans

I have found demos on other sample lirbary websites, trying to sell VSL, that were completely unacceptable, especially considering what CAN be done with it. Having restraint is as good of a virtue as courage.

@Another User said:

He's right. There are a few demos out there showing VSL at it's lowest potential. However, that seems to be the way with most sample libraries.

However, some manufacturers have demos that avoid all the "holes" of their library, which is even more misleading. Atleast VSL shows the work that others have done, rather than their own beta testers.

Sonrise,

Well ... I guess. That just kinda makes me go ... sigh. It's kind of a letdown isn;'t ift? But it's true, when I first heard the demos o VSL PE I thought they sounded good but not great, and knew I could use them to sound great. Since then, many others have as well. But you're right, pretty much all the demos for all libraries aren't at their best potential.

Evan Eans

Mr EE,

Can you please shut the fuck up and show us some "super, super, super "demos?

@Sonrise said:

I have found demos on other sample lirbary websites, trying to sell VSL, [...]

... if you're really trying to say that you found pieces made with our (i.e. the VSL's) instruments on _other_ manufacturers websites, it would be interesting see the relevant links. Would you be so kind to supply them?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Sorry I need to make a correction. On my last post the non-quoted remark (about finding VSL demos on other sites) was me quoting EE, and the quote was my response......oops

@Guy said:

Mr EE,

Can you please shut the f*** up and show us some "super, super, super "demos?

If you're nice to me (maybe you are, you are just kidding?), then maybe we'll talk on AIM sometime, and I can drop you my latest mixes from a feature film I am scoring this summer.

PM me for AIM.

Evan Evans

Sonrise,

No problem. I think we all figured that out. [;)]

EE

@Guy said:

Mr EE,

Can you please shut the f*** up and show us some "super, super, super "demos?

If you're nice to me (maybe you are, you are just kidding?), then maybe we'll talk on AIM sometime, and I can drop you my latest mixes from a feature film I am scoring this summer.

PM me for AIM.

Evan Evans

If I'm nice to you???

How about you being nice here?

I am nice here. You want me to lie to you if you were my friend and your music sucked? It's professional and generous of me to lend my ears to my friends ... it opens them to new perspectives, and I expect no less from anyone else being "nice to me". I am honest, diplomatic, and I have conviction.

Do the same for me, and no less please.

Evan Evans