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  • Fast first-load in Logic Pro

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    After being frustrated at the insanely long load times in Logic Pro for the first instance of VI, I randomly stumbled on a procedure that loads the first VI almost instantaneously. (Sorry if this is common knowledge already, but I guess I haven't seen it.)

    1. Start Logic Pro without the ViennaKey plugged in.
    2. Mount the drive with the samples (I'm not sure what happens in case the drive is already mounted).
    3. Plug in the ViennaKey.
    4. Assign a VI to some audio instrument in Logic and, timpani roll, the VI interface pops up in 30 seconds!

    (Used a MacBook Pro 17" 2GB, Mac OS 10.4.7, Logic Pro 7.1)

    I'd be curious to know if other users have been able to reproduce the same procedure.

    In any case, if it's possible to get around the long first-time load this way, it probably also means that there's a way to implement the fix in the VI software?

    Herve (a newbie, and absolutely loving my new toy!)
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    @hkieffel said:

    1. Start Logic Pro without the ViennaKey plugged in.


    Now, that's something I've not tried. Yesterday, I loaded up 5 instances of strings and left to check the mail, run errands, etc. Came back to find the "please wait" indication and the spinning beachball still going strong.

    Hmm. This might work on a new project, perhaps-- but how do you load a project on subsequent occasions? You couldn't "start from file"... perhaps boot the app, load the key, and then open the project to similar results?
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    I boot Logic Pro with an empty template that doesn't have any VI attached, then plug in the ViennaKey, then load up the saved projectm with the VI's, and voila: the VI's are loaded in seconds... No time to brew some fresh coffee anymore!
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    Good going, kief!!

    A little rethinking goes a long away. Simple changes of old habits make all the difference.

    Thanks!
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    Congrats to you, Herve!

    I also believe you are correct that the VI software should be fixed so this procedure is unnecessary. Constantly unplugging and plugging this syncrosoft key could harm the hardware that already has technical issues.

    Clark
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    Thanks, but I take no credit for it--just the work of chance. I take it you were all able to reproduce the work-around? That would be great news... but I agree the software should be fixed.

    (Correction from my first post here: I run Logic Pro 7.2.1.)
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    I'll have to give that a try. I use Cubase here so hopefully that doesn't make a difference.
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    I really am in disbelief...thank goodness I'm drinking while trying this...unbelieveable...spinning beach ball for about 30 or 45 seconds...wow...

    Thanks for the workaround!

    NOW, maybe we can pinpoint the issue...

    Here's something though...

    how do you load the VI as a standalone with this workaround???...not that I ever do it..but the reason I thought of it was this...

    maybe it's a Logic issue (that's what went through my mind)...then I realized this problem still occurs with the standalone...

    hmmmm.

    In the meantime...WOW
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    @JJRoach said:

    I really am in disbelief...thank goodness I'm drinking while trying this...unbelieveable...spinning beach ball for about 30 or 45 seconds...wow...

    Thanks for the workaround!

    NOW, maybe we can pinpoint the issue...

    Here's something though...

    how do you load the VI as a standalone with this workaround???...not that I ever do it..but the reason I thought of it was this...

    maybe it's a Logic issue (that's what went through my mind)...then I realized this problem still occurs with the standalone...

    hmmmm.

    In the meantime...WOW


    Nah-- I don't think it's not a Logic issue because I use DP!! [[:|]]

    Yeah-- meantime: WOW!!

    Anyone from the VSL team want to comment on this?
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    I've tried this on my G5 and the load time remains at 7 minutes 20 seconds. On my MacBook there was a minor change change with load time dropping from 6 minutes 10 seconds to 5 minutes 45 seconds. I tried with both with the sample drives mounted before and after launching Logic but this made no difference.

    Start Times G5 2.5 Dual 6.5 GB RAM OS10.4.7 Logic 7.2.1 7'25" (same for standalone)

    Start Times MacBook Pro 17" 2.16 2GB RAM OS10.4.7 Logic 7.2.1 5'45" (same for standalone)

    Start Times MacBook Pro 17" 2.16 2GB RAM Windows XP2 2 minutes for standalone.

    Julian
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    1:40 on my machine the first time, which is bad compared to :16 on Windows but not the end of the world. However, 7:20 on both machines is totally bizarre. Are you using the same dongle, Julian? It sounds like that's the only thing in common.

    If so, I bet its memory is corrupted, or something like that.
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    I think everyone (ncluding VSL themselves) are encountering 7 minute boot times in OSX for the full 10 colections of the Symphonic Cube.

    Julian
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    OK, so here's a little more experimentation on my computer. The workaround does not work perfectly the very first time I boot up the computer (first load time: 4'45", all 10 collections licensed BTW). However, if I put the computer to sleep instead of shutting it down, the workaround in the first post of this thread works every single time for me (first load time: <5").

    I'm not claiming this is "the" solution to the problem--but worth exploring...
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    Yes but a boot from sleep mode is not an initial boot. Once Vienna Instruments has been initially booted (in either Logic, Standalone. or whatever you use) it's ready to go pretty much straight away.

    The current big issue is waiting to get VI,s up and running from a cold start.

    Julian
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    Agreed, but in case it wasn't clear I'm actually talking about a "lukewarm" boot, by which I mean: quit Logic Pro/VI entirely before you go to sleep, wake from sleep, start Logic Pro/VI. So while the computer boot is not "cold," Logic Pro gets a fresh start.

    In any case, thanks for your comments. We're probably all in agreement that it would be nice to fix this issue.
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    @Another User said:

    I think everyone (ncluding VSL themselves) are encountering 7 minute boot times in OSX for the full 10 colections of the Symphonic Cube.


    Well, I'm encountering 1:40 in OS X. That's with the first five Collections, so I suppose it could be one of the second five that's causing the problem. But it's consistent 1:40 every time.
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    @hkieffel said:

    Agreed, but in case it wasn't clear I'm actually talking about a "lukewarm" boot, by which I mean: quit Logic Pro/VI entirely before you go to sleep, wake from sleep, start Logic Pro/VI. So while the computer boot is not "cold," Logic Pro gets a fresh start.

    In any case, thanks for your comments. We're probably all in agreement that it would be nice to fix this issue.


    Once the VSL server daemon has been woken from it's deep deep sleep (initial boot) it doesn't matter which app is active the Vienna Instuments will start pretty much straight away. So for example if you turn your computer on in the morning open the Vienna standalone app (takes about 7 minutes with the Symphonic Cube) VI should launch 3-5 seconds after selecting it.

    So the cold boot times for Vienna Instruments (particularly in OSX) is the issue that it would be good to resolve..... I'm sure VSL ad Synchrosoft are working on it.

    J.
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    Julian, I have to repeat myself repeat myself: on my machine it DOES NOT TAKE SEVEN MINUTES the first time after starting up. It takes one minute and forty seconds.

    I'm certainly not saying that your problems aren't real, nor am I saying I haven't had problems with Syncrosoft dongles; I still can't launch Cubase SX3 on my main G5, and for the longest time I simply couldn't get two Scarbee libraries to launch.

    But 7-minute load times are not par for the course. The worst company in the world wouldn't release a product that takes seven minutes to launch. There is almost certainly something different about your system that Syncrosoft doesn't like.
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    Julian, I have to repeat myself repeat myself: on my machine it DOES NOT TAKE SEVEN MINUTES the first time after starting up. It takes one minute and forty seconds.

    I'm certainly not saying that your problems aren't real, nor am I saying I haven't had problems with Syncrosoft dongles; I still can't launch Cubase SX3 on my main G5, and for the longest time I simply couldn't get two Scarbee libraries to launch.

    But 7-minute load times are not par for the course. The worst company in the world wouldn't release a product that takes seven minutes to launch. There is almost certainly something different about your system that Syncrosoft doesn't like.


    Nick,

    I quote Herb:

    "I think there is a general missconception.
    I think Maya's 30 to 60 seconds startuptime refer to a startup of a VI after of opening a new logic project and not a startup after rebooting the computer.

    That means after a reboot you have to wait several minutes, depending how much content is added in your Directory Manager of the VI.

    If you change to a different logic project (no reboot), the startuptime of the first VI instance should be less than one minute (with the whole Symphonic Cube added)

    If your workflow needs a lot of reboots of your computer (changing the studio etc.) we recommend only to add the instruments in Directory Manager which were needed.

    I have also talked with our developement team to add a save/load option into Directory Manager, so you can easy and fast setup the needed instruments for a certain project.

    best
    Herb"

    The point is the load times currently increase with the number of instruments. If you had the full cube installed plus appassionata strings your initial load tmes would be a magnitude greater. Although you state "The worst company in the world wouldn't release a product that takes seven minutes to launch." I am afraid 7 minute launch times (on G5.s) are currently the case and have been confirmed by a fair number of VSL users on this forum, including Herb! I currently get launch times of 2 minutes for the whole collection when booted Windows XP2 so there is room for improvement and I'm sure it will come.

    Julian

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    If that's true then I'm eating crow.

    But I still find it hard to believe that the increase as you add libraries is *exponential.*

    Tomorrow I'll try moving the dongle that's on my PC to the G5 (I have five Collections on the G5 but the dongle for a fifth is on a PC right now).