@hetoreyn said:

Well I tried to do this chorale thing out of curiosity, but sadly I have no idea how to turn this into useful midi info. I can just about read music notes, but understanding the timing and dynamic stuff, .... forget it!

But please, do continue to rant as I find it most entertaining. [:P]

Happy to entertain this thread dude. This is what I do. [:D]

This is very entertaining to watch. That's almost worth the hundred bucks by itself, just to see all the friendly (?) insults being passed around. Now we have three submissions and they all sound pretty good. I'm mostly interested in how transitions from note to note in a legato passage can be most effectively made. The individual samples sound great but when I want to hear a smooth upbow legato passage I don't really know the best samples to use for the subsequent notes. I've listened to several examples on this website and have noticed that it is one thing to sound great when you use a big orchestra with lots of brass and percussion, but an entirely different thing to make a simple string passage sound convincing. Since I'm both a conductor and a performer I work with the real thing every day. (In honor of Mozart's birthday my school orchestra sightread the entire 25th symphony - the "littel g minor".) So I'm really interested in just hearing some beautiful strings.

@steve@burchmusic.com said:

Chances are pretty decent that I'll get a hundred bucks worth of education from people who know more than I do.

Offers like those have this smell to it. My ways of learning are a little bit more different than offering some bucks for some elaborate pieces. I don't exploit a community by offering a petty cash for an artistic effort. Of course, musicians are always in need for money and just for the slightest chance, they will do almost anything, out of desperation.

In the years that I am in the forum, I have developed relations with quite a few very talented and gifted people. They share thoughts and pieces by email or otherwise, without asking or offering money. It is a give and take of thoughts and abilities, not tangibles.

Luckily, I can treat my music as a hobby, so I can spent money without looking for the revenue. This puts me also in the comfort situation to not respond with my own work to some cheap pleas.

@Another User said:

If he had half a brain he would take the money and run. Any money. That is what a composer worth his salt does.

Hey William,
if you had to take the 100 $ and run in dire needs, we should start setting up a fund for you... I am fearing about your monthly grocery bill if that is the case

@Guy said:

Happy to entertain this thread dude. This is what I do. [:D]

...besides wasting your precccious time on the dog's cash you'll never earn. Hey, I'm not participating, but I think I would if I had the time, as a learning opportunity for myself, not necessarily needing the money. And now that I'm not participating, I'm not going to comment on that a lot more. Well, if you push me to do so, I maybe will. It's nice for someone to get 1/4 of his investment in solo strings back by simply doing a mockup. Of course it's not enough to make a living, but hey, if you have to make a living and need the money, you have better opportunities. Mostly at least. The key word here should be "passion" and not "money", which is why PaulR and Hetoreyn entered.

Best,
PolarBear

@steve@burchmusic.com said:

I'm mostly interested in how transitions from note to note in a legato passage can be most effectively made. The individual samples sound great but when I want to hear a smooth upbow legato passage I don't really know the best samples to use for the subsequent notes.

Instead of sequencing the chorale, I almost spent the time addressing, in words, the articulations you chose for the chorale. Maybe after your deadline we can all give some friendly (?) and conflicting opinions about the bowing choices, some of the part writing, etc, etc .... with the nastiest or the longest or the pithiest entrant getting another $100?

And, Polarbear, I've been puzzling over your signature line about the zero for what seems like years ... in english, "decouple" has an O in it, but an O is not a ZERO ... is it nothing more than a spelling pun?

I've seen this kind of situation many times and this is why I react this way. As much as it looks inoffensive it is insulting at the same time. Steve is a School teacher, I bet he makes quite a bit more than you do! He doesn't have the time to put into learning VSL because he's busy with his real job. As dear William made a mockery about me mentioning the word: "Sacrifice" whether you like it or not there is some sacrifice to do in learning anything whether it's a passion or not. If Steve were to do like the rest of us and spent his own time learning VSL (that he supposedly bought...) or take time off from his school, he would loose many thousands of dollars! On top of jeopardizing his job.Try doing the exact same scenario with plumbers or electricians, make a little contest proposing all plumbers a reward of $100,00 to see which one could come up with the best solution to fix your toilet. And if you tell me: "that's different" I say it's NOT. Or maybe you could find a plumber that does it for the passion...

@Guy said:

I've seen this kind of situation many times and this is why I react this way. As much as it looks inoffensive it is insulting at the same time. Steve is a School teacher, I bet he makes quite a bit more than you do! He doesn't have the time to put into learning VSL because he's busy with his real job.

Let me tell you something about teaching and money. In the town nearest to me - pop. approx 12000 souls, they spent £3.5 million - that's about 6.5 million US dollars, about 2 years ago on a new music block for the school. A crappy school. Most of the school governors are either liberals or labourites. There was was one known conservative on the board. These kind people have no idea about financial planning visa vis - ongoing value.

So they went ahead with constructing this place, complete with 250 seat plus auditorium (and forgot to include changing rooms btw). The residents of the town are NOT allowed to use this facility.
The purpose of this place, I was told as as an invited guest to the opening, was purely and simply for musical education. I get led around this facility and all the time I'm thinking - this is never going to work - this is crazy - this is a complete nonsense waste of money. No one is going to use this place to the extent of justifying this kind of expense. 2 years on - and I am proven correct. It is empty most of the time. It should be constantly in use based on population versus expenditure. I am always right about anything financial. Always. I'm an expert at it.

School teachers of any subject in this country are always complaining they don't make enough salary. That is total bullshit to me, given their general non expertise and the amount of holidays they get.
I get the impression that things in America are quite different. That is why, by and large, given that the majority of the planet's population are morons, America is more successful at most things they attempt - it's a different mind set in other words.
$100 wouldn't keep me in toilet paper for a week. It is merely an American gesture in the American way, with no more meaning than that. It would cost more than $100 to send it here. I wouldn't want it anyway. Do you understand this Guy/Holgmeister?

Do make me start.

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@Another User said:

Do you understand this Guy/Holgmeister?

No

Take cover!

I don't think it's a good idea to begin using different philosophies as "The American Way", 'cause as much as the Americans are successful they are as much a bad example of nearly as many things... Paul, I think you've been watch too many episodes of "Happy Days"!

Nobody talks to me iin person the way Guy wrote and continues talking for long. Go ahead with your little chat, but I do not appreciate being directly called an idiot.

I'll stick to music from now on.

It is now Saturday evening 7.30 pm (19:30) GMT+1 in good old godess Europa. What are we talking about?

It is a perfect time to start the evening with a beer, cook a great dinner and sit down with friends.

After all, Music is about making friends, not enemies.

Wish everyone a great weekend, perfect music and

Peace on Earth (und den Menschen ein Wohlgefallen)

I can sympathize, William. Guy seems to enjoy baseless indictments.

On topic:

I might be interested in this project if it was a straight fee and not a contest.

I think the real issue is that Steve should do this thing himself instead of taking the lazy way out. I guarantee that he would learn way more than $100 worth by analyzing the articulations, applying them in this piece and learning that way.

Deconstructing someone else's interpretation can be a shortcut in the short term but in order to become fluent with the VSL toolkit one must practice using it. There is no substitute.

Clark

@William said:

Nobody talks to me iin person the way Guy wrote and continues talking for long. Go ahead with your little chat, but I do not appreciate being directly called an idiot.

I'll stick to music from now on.

Funny coming from a person who not too long ago wrote a truck full of insults to me and someone else....much worse than "idiot".

Holmeister,

You make a good point. I don't take these silly fights seriously anyway, and I'm posting while I'm making good music and am at peace with myself along with my friends. I bet Beethoven had a few clashes during his lifetime... [:D]

@clarkcontrol said:

I can sympathize, William. Guy seems to enjoy baseless indictments.


Clark

Very good...

Oh, my God.

At least Evan Evans knew correct grammar, spelling and was smart.

Clark

@clarkcontrol said:

Oh, my God.

At least Evan Evans knew correct grammar, spelling and was smart.

Clark

At this point you are the least of my worries.

And I am very smart, and write english quite well for a for a french canadian, but how can a mindless person implying that I'm not smart know that?

I don't know. I'm not mindless, you'll have to ask someone who qualifies. Perhaps yourself?

I'm glad that you changed "worry" to "worries" just now. It shows that you really do care.

Clark

@clarkcontrol said:

Oh, my God.

At least Evan Evans knew correct grammar, spelling and was smart.

Clark

BTW, that is a cheap shot. At least I have the courage to show my "not perfect" english in this forum, and I'm not going to ask Evan Evans to write french and judge him according to that...