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  • Are there any advantages of PE over SC...

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    My first idea was to purchase PE and then preorder SC, but are there really any reasons to do so (exept Epic Violins).
    Will be there a task where PE will be prefered over SC. Or is it just waste of HDD space and shipping expenses. As i can see, MIR simply can't process any data exept VIs (at least from the begining).
    So, any ideas?
    Thank you.
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    The advantage is you have access to every individual sample and could program your own programs within the sampler you choose PE for. That's a huge advantage for some, as you don't have to rely on VSL on releasing new combinations that fit your exact needs. It is said that MIR can process information from any audio source, just not as in-depth and automated as it will be possible with the VIs and the metadata coming from the VIs as far as I understand it.

    The other advantage is you save some money if you get the PE COP and some Horizon series products right now in the sale, check the Discount Calculator for details. Notice that you can't go back to PE once you only have SC, so your choice has to be made now if you ever want the samples or not. I'd take it as soon as you don't loose any money and are unsure whether you need it or not. Afterall if you choose now to go any route, you get the new Organ with your purchase.

    PolarBear
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    For real integration between virtual orchestra (VI) and virtual hall (MIR) you will simply need both components. - That takes nothing away from the quality of the ProEdition itself, though.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Thank you for clarification.

    @PolarBear said:

    you can't go back to PE once you only have SC.

    PolarBear


    Do i understand it right, since i have SC, i can't use PE?
    Thanx again.
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    in think there is a significant advantage to the pro edition because of, as PolarBear said, its ability to be reprogrammed - where i think an extra twenty percent can be had from this excellent library. even if the VIs achieve ten percent of that, there are still audible artifacts evident in the VI demos that reprogramming could fix if they didn't prevent access at the sample level. so certainly the VIs will raise the out-of-the-box bar, but even if that leaves just ten percent to be had, that's still the difference between A and B work.

    In that sense I think the pro edition remains indispensible since it is the meat and potatoes of what we do musically, and will remain so in the SC. if time and money were no object, i'd try use a reedited pro edition along side the extended VIs (since there's no other choice), but the hardware and development costs seem so far out there to consider (the true cost of using VSL has never been the license). but i wouldn't think for a minute that the VIs wouldn't expand the efforts of some, just as it limits the efforts of others. it just depends where you want to be in all of that.

    between innovations like synful, VSLs direct competitors and hopefully VSL itself, i think we're going to see some really significant things in the next 2-3 years, that makes just riding out the interim with the pro edition seem like a no brainer (and if you disagree with VSL's handling of the VIP program you may find upgrading at that time inequitable - especially if development of the VIs is abandoned or wrapped into yet another product like MIR). but under no circumstances would i think it would be bright not to have the pro edition if you could roll its cost into an upgrade if you really want the VIs that badly.
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    @PolarBear said:

    you can't go back to PE once you only have SC.

    PolarBear


    Do i understand it right, since i have SC, i can't use PE?
    Thanx again.

    In your situation I would be equally confused, I think! However, if you get Pro-Ed you will always have it and be able to use it in your sampler of choice (new operating systems not withstanding). When SC is fully released you will probably find that Pro-Ed becomes redundant, but you can still use it as well as SC. Until we have all been playing with SC, none of us know whether or not the above will be true, but I will certainly keep both systems running in tandem as I'm sure that there will be a learning curve.

    DG
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    What DG said. It may have been confusing to you because I didn't point out that I was only talking about upgrading/sidegrading/downgrading paths. I meant it this way: A PE COP user can't get Opus 1 or 2 or the bundle for a reduced price. It's a downgrade that is not supported by VSL. A Opus 1/2/bundle user can get the PE COP with his full investments reduced as a discount.

    It's the same with the SC: SC users can't get PRO COP without having to pay the full price, but as a PE COP user you get a substantial discount on the full SC.

    Of course everything you got or get now you can use at any later point, but you may find that you're either not missing or missing the possibilities of having access to the sample pool. Hence my comment about it.

    Hope this clears up the misunderstandings [;)]
    PolarBear
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    One of you menjtioned that there were audible artifacts in the VI demos and that having access to the samples, as is possible with VSL/GS etc is preferable. Let me see if I understand this. Potentially, the VI product would be easier to use and less demanding of resources like RAM. However, there is apparently an audible qualitative diference between VI and PE? If learning curve and money were no object, some of you would advocate staying with, or upgrading to PE,, at least initially? Have I got it right?
    Last, do any of you have an opinion about the functionality of the VI interface vs the Performance Tool for realizing lifelike performance without going through a major hassle?

    Kevin
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    hi kevin. you seem to understand my post. in fairness to VSL, my reference to artifacts was based on a reprogramed pro edition that removes them. i imagine that just out of the box, the VIs are a big improvement or VSL wouldn't have gone to the trouble of redevelopment. as i understand it, the VI is just the next generation of performance tool so the hassle factor may be going down a bit for the plug and play folks. for others who want to incorporate different libraries to fill in vsl's gaps, or already have enough virtual instruments eating up cpu and ram and need to manage things differently, the flexibility of the pro edition offers makes upgrading unthinkable because it would just result in a lower quality of work.

    so the hassle factor is relative i guess. my studio spent an enormous amount of time and effort up front to develop a way to improve and manage VSL along with other libraries. what we have been working with this past year is something that functions very similarly to the VI interface but better suits our need to work more quickly and at the highest quality without compromise. so we've saved more time than we put in initially and the workflow and results are much more streamlined and musical than had we not. we'd sure like to take advantage of the extra VSL samples but at the end of the day its about what you do with what you have. not a big worry because just as VSL has kind of left a hole in the market for users like us, someone (hopefully even VSL) will come and fill it in, and we're good to go until then.