Poppa, Martin, Everybody,
First, about a week ago, i saw a thread called Sibelius in this forum where a guy in Seattle said that he would develop a plugin that would make Sibelius recognize and play back artiulations, trills and so on. Here's his comment
There is a plugin for the samples that come with kontakt 2 (click the link in my sig). When I get some of the other sample sets from VSL I will likely create one for those as well. But no promises at this point. Waiting to see what the new announcements are before buying anything. If someone wants to donate sample sets to me, then I could get motivated to do this sooner . (kontakt only)
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ow do you guys hear articulations and trills with Sibelius and VSL/VI now?
also, Do any of you know anything about V-Stack and the ability to use it to run multiple VSTs on a remote computer to replace or augment GS33? I just ordered two computers not knowing about VI and I wonder if I can prevent this second computer from becoming a paperweight.
Thanks,
Kevin

From another thread

@Paul said:

Vienna Instruments works on ONE MIDI Channel, but of course you can open many Vienna Instruments in your sequencer on different tracks.

And as Sibelius sends MIDI, the Vienna Instruments can read it, MIDI stays MIDI.

Best, Paul

Well here's the excitment for me - assuming I've understood matters.

Once we've set up the midi route from Sibelius via the VI into Sonar and once we've mastered setting up the various patches and matrixes in the VI and all the midi commands to put into the sibelius score it will now be possible to play a single stave of say an orchestral score (violin 1) with all artciulations in one go into a track in Sonar.

Having got the first VI performance sorted we can then optimize the ram and move on to the next part. In this way, depending on your specs, it may be possible to set up several VIs so that perhaps we could do the whole of one section at a time.

It may well be possible on modest specs to say have four VIs do live playback of a string quartet (that's be my first project with the Solo Strings)

Presumably the midi controller data in the Sib score can be simplified in time with plug ins and the like.

Of course the track laid down in Sonar can be tweeked further as desired.

Reverb/Ambience - I know MIR is coming but presumably we can add whatever reverb we want in Sonar.

I wonder whether a single VI will be able to cope with the entire range of articulations for say a whole symphony so that ideally it would be one take to record the entire 1st violin part.

Just some idle ramblings trying to keep the notation/SC/VI discussion going. [:)]

@kevjazz said:

I just ordered two computers not knowing about VI and I wonder if I can prevent this second computer from becoming a paperweight.
Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin:

From some of the things I'm reading, I'm getting the impression that if you go with VI you might be better off having it on one of your computers and your Sibelius, Sonar, Mastering software and audio files on the other. If you use it this way you could maximize the number of instances of VI you're able to run as well as optimzing your CPU/RAM usage for any other sampling needs. This, of course, means running VI as a stand-alone rather than as a plug-in in Sonar but since you get both versions you have the choice.

I don't know how much hard drive space and RAM you have on the computers you ordered but certainly you're going to need 550 GB just for the samples in VI as well as having the engine(s) on the system drive (I believe). If your notation, sequencing and mastering software were on the same computer this would be asking an awful lot if you have a big score going. Instead, having the VI on it's own computer will probably maximize your possibilities. Also, you will have to decide where to put your other samplers and libraries. I'm not sure anyone here uses only one library for everything. All you will need then is a way to network the computers and there are lot's of ways to do that. In any case, I suspect it is very unlikely your second computer will only be taking up space. You may, in fact, have the best situation with everything brand new and optimizeable (is that a word?) for whatever you want.

Be well,

Poppa

Poppa,
From what I understand, VI is not truly stand-alone. By this I mean that you need some kind of VST host like V-Stack if you're going to use it on a separate computer that doesn't have a dedicated sequencer on it. . Can someone confirm this? If that's the way it is, can a GSIF2 compatible interface such as the WaveCenter PCI from Frontier Design Group give me the appropriate MIDI/Audio connectivity I need to bring these two machines together?
Kevin

@kevjazz said:

Poppa,
From what I understand, VI is not truly stand-alone. By this I mean that you need some kind of VST host like V-Stack if you're going to use it on a separate computer that doesn't have a dedicated sequencer on it. . Can someone confirm this? If that's the way it is, can a GSIF2 compatible interface such as the WaveCenter PCI from Frontier Design Group give me the appropriate MIDI/Audio connectivity I need to bring these two machines together?
Kevin

Kevin:

I didn't know that! Clearly, it's a very important factor if correct. I hope someone will answer your question regarding the GSIF2 compatible interface (I don't have a clue) because I would like to know as well. It might be worthwhile to ask it on a thread not specifically dedicated to Sibelius so some of the other posters will see it.

Be Well,

Poppa

Kevin:

Ah, I see that you did ask this question on another thread but no one has answered it yet. Hmmm!

Be Well,

Poppa

Kevin:

Have you seen this?

http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=7005

Apparently, VI is indeed a true stand-alone [:D] .

Be Well,

Poppa

@PoppaJOL said:

Kevin:

Have you seen this?

http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=7005

Apparently, VI is indeed a true stand-alone [:D] .

Be Well,

Poppa

That sounds great! This make it much more easy to work with...

Martin.

Martin:

I agree. This will be one of the important factors in making my decision. From everything I've read, I don't see why there should be a problem using notation programs tro send the MIDI information so, if that's really the case, and since you receive the option to use it as stand alone or plug in, it seems pretty exciting. I'm sure we'll have some routing issues and I don't really like the one instance for every track because, for large scores, it means you will have to record many passes to get the piece sequenced. Still, overall it looks like a major step forward.

Be well,

Poppa

Poppa,
You rock. I'll lok at the thread later. However, I get the sense that even though you need one instance per instrument, you don't need as many MIDI tracks per instrument as you did in VSL. In fact, that was the question I was going to ask you privately. How many tracks do you dedicate, say, for violins to make sure you get all the articulations you want? I ge4t the sense that by setting up matracies corectly, you can set up enough articulations in one instance to coer your violins in VI. It makes it much easier than it would be in VSL, I guess.
Let me know.
Kevin

Kevin:

I think you have it exactly right. The options in the VI matrix appear to be such that, with a little practice, you can learn to set up the matrices optimally for whatever you have written. Unless the piece is very, very compex, it appears that you will be able to easily set it up with all the articulations you would need for any given instrument. Of course, you would need a separate instance for 1st and 2nd violins or whatever, but it appears that it will still be much easier than VSL and GS3. Since we've recently learned that we can use our notation programs to send the keyswitch commands, that problem also seems workable. Add the RAM saving feature and it looks like you've got the ability to make a lot of music much more easily than before.

Be well,

Poppa

I was going to ask one more question. With respect to sending keyswitches and hiding them, would you want to send the keyswitch notes in another voice, which would alter stem direction, or would you want to put them in a staff assigned to the same port and channel which you would remove when you printed the score? Can you hide individual notes? Even if you can, what a hassle that would be.
Kevin

@kevjazz said:

I was going to ask one more question. With respect to sending keyswitches and hiding them, would you want to send the keyswitch notes in another voice, which would alter stem direction, or would you want to put them in a staff assigned to the same port and channel which you would remove when you printed the score? Can you hide individual notes? Even if you can, what a hassle that would be.
Kevin

Once you have your score for publishing purposes you should save a copy as the playback score then you can annotate the playback score with midi commands and keyswitch notes to your hearts content - and of course add in additiona staves if that's still going to be necessary with the new VIs which it hopefully won't.

With regards to keyswitches I have done this by adding the relevant note as a grace note which you can hide or not as you wish.

Hey everyone.

and hi David Carter, my sibeliusmusic.com fellow fiend (err, friend). I'm finally get back into more composition, after a year or so break from having to find a new job, and being swallowed up by a MMRPG (online game) !!

I've recently upgraded to Sibelius 4, to GigaStudio G3 Orchestra, and have also built a new desktop box from scratch, with a state of the art motherboard, using RAID and SATA drives, etc etc... and capable of more memory, etc. etc. (the video card is nice too for that game... [:)]

Everything is working well on the new machine, minus being able to record live input (strange... still working on it. Some Delta 1010 configuration may be off still.)

I'm in process now of making new Giga performance files, and mirrored Sibelius Sound Sets to work with those Giga performances.

That whole methodology works well, but you will learn to hate the Sibelius UI for Edit Sound Sets and the Dictionary!! It's klunky as hell. I just wish too, that I could assign "Staccato" as an Effect and assign a separate sample for each instrument using just that word, and not a custom word for each instrument like "flute stacc" in the Dictionary. You can use "Legato" nicely as a known effect, and assign the instrument Legato sound samples from the First Edition Peformance library pretty easily. Yes it needs its own staff (track) to work, especially assigning the octave offset with the Peformance tool...

I digress, but you get the idea of why using VI looks like it would simplify a couple of these things.

The new offerings in the VI video demonstrations I've seen are quite impressive, but I'm at a loss to understand with which samples VI would work and require. I don't want to shell out more dough, when I'm happy with my base samples.

Ideally, I would use Sibelius as my sequencer, and VI with the First Edition if possible, thus eliminating GigaStudio and the Performance Tool. (However, I think I'll also need something like Sonar for mixing.)

I haven't gotten into multi-track recording *yet*, but am finding if I want to use the First Edition Performance samples, I'll need to be crafty with regard to memory management in GigaStudio... and thus multi-track record... not play back the whole score at once, etc.

Summary:
Will VI support First Edition?

Hello Hunter,

saw you pop your head up on SibMus.

any pre VI sample package is redundant with the new VIs. When you buy the VI you get an entirely new 24bit sample base especially programmed for the new VI. Your 1st Edition wil not be used by the VI.

The VI comes in two versions, everyone pays the same full price for the initial package which will include some of your existing samples (but now 24 bit and VI compatible) and some entirely new samples and of course the VI itself. It's only if you then move up to the second level that you will get your VIP discount but you end up with nearly twice as many samples, all 24bit and re-edited for the VI. You have to check the discount calculator to see what your discount will be from the first edition to the full VI.

During the recent sale I got the complete pro-ed and shall get the first solo strings VI (the full version). I am hoping the VI, whilst still designed for a keyboard controller, will work a lot better with Sibelius as the sequencer and avoiding GigaStudio has to be very attractive.

What I'm not clear about is how to have several instances of the VI (say four for a string quartet) running at the same time with Sibelius. I'm hoping that the RAM management feature will mean that it will be possible to run several instances simultaneously with Sibelius on my single machine specs.

There's a reasonably large crowd of Sibelius VSL users here and I hope we all stick together and share our experiences and tips during this exciting time. I know I shall need plenty of help.

Best wishes.

PS having been to your website I have to tell you I got 138 on the tickle IQ test [[;)]] - not that it's a competition of course [:)]

It seems to me that VI could make things a lot easier for Sibelius users. Firstly it should be possible to do away with multiple tracks per instrument. Then I would imagine that via a virtual MIDI cable (like Maple) the MIDI from Sibelius would be routed to a VST Host (like V-Stack) in which the various VI would reside. This should make it all possible to do on one computer fairly simply, providing that you have sufficient CPU and RAM.

DG

@DaveTubaKing said:

Hello Hunter,

PS having been to your website I have to tell you I got 138 on the tickle IQ test [[;)]] - not that it's a competition of course [:)]

curses! ... I should remove that stat on my site/resume. Perhaps it's not a good measure of my potential worth/success [:)]

I knew that the VI came with designated samples, and that they were most likely 24 bit.. and optimized for the VI... but somehow I didn't let that not influence my desires... and therefore asking about it in terms of the First Edition. I should have realized simply too, that the First Edition samples are all .gig files anyhow... so it wouldn't make sense.

But yeah... in the end, I'm very much interested in the Sibelius/VSL users alliance.. and will check back and contribute as much as I can. I am glad there are more of us. I fell in love with making music via MIDI because of Sibelius. (Or just composing in general as Sibelius in terms of music as notation, makes sense to me -- not the other "track" based sequencers.)

I'm looking forward to more of your projects David. I'll have to look at your sibeliusmusic page to see what the latest goods are (I'm a bit behind in my spying and comparison browsings -- for ego and envy reasons, of course! )

-Hunter

@kevjazz said:

Poppa, Martin, Everybody,
First, about a week ago, i saw a thread called Sibelius in this forum where a guy in Seattle said that he would develop a plugin that would make Sibelius recognize and play back artiulations, trills and so on. Here's his comment
There is a plugin for the samples that come with kontakt 2 (click the link in my sig). When I get some of the other sample sets from VSL I will likely create one for those as well. But no promises at this point. Waiting to see what the new announcements are before buying anything. If someone wants to donate sample sets to me, then I could get motivated to do this sooner . (kontakt only)
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http://homepage.mac.com/dbudde/Plugin

Thanks,
Kevin

I'm that guy in Seattle. I have completed the development of a Sibelius plugin for Opus1. It is currently in Beta test. I hope to release it in early February. I'm on the road until the 23rd. I am going to be at NAMM. If anyone else is there, let me know. I'll be happy to discuss this with you.

Please can I join the huddled cluster of Sibelius VSL users?

But seriously DG and the TubaKing are right. Some easy way of linking the best notation package and best libraries together (IMHO) would make life soooooo much easier. I've had the pro edition a year now and my composition output has been very low - mainly due to my extended grapples with giga and a compelling urge to keep remixing my old stuff with different samples, gigapulses etc.

Being able to simply fire up Sib and have it power VI with authentic sounds would be heaven!

p.s. Dave - have started work on a Euphonium concerto. Would be good if these nice people at VSL made us up some quality samples eh? [:D]

@Jonathan Mitchell said:

...p.s. Dave - have started work on a Euphonium concerto. Would be good if these nice people at VSL made us up some quality samples eh? [:D]

good stuff - is that with Brass Band or Orchestra - or 16 part Tuba/Euph ensemble?

Do you have a perfomer lined up?