No doubt about the quality of the films themselves being everything. Hitchcock's mastery of ambience is why we are fascinated at what is really void of action but charged with anxious suspense (the characters point of view.) When Leigh drives away from the cop, we are fully identified with her fear and the cop's suspicion. Not from our independent point of view but Hitchcock's. He unites his audience by his command of the visual image.

Hand over that level of filmmaking to Bernard Herrmann (the fact that he may indeed be the best ever says everything: he was the best for Hitchcock) and you get the visual image and all it's attendant psychology perfectly heightened and presented. Look how the actors flourished under Hitchcock. Were any of them better in following roles?

A good example of good film engendering good music is the Coen Brothers and Carter Burwell in Fargo. As William said, it's all to rare these days.

Dave Connor

By the way you guys are talking about "the score" to Psycho it makes me believe that I know something you don't about that "score".

I'll give you a hint.

The "score" to Psycho, is not really a score.

[;)]

Evan Evans

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Yes, the score is a rewrite of his early Sinfonietta for strings.

I agree on the heavy duty bra however Hitchcock stated he thought it was very unfair that John Gavin was barechested but not Janet Leigh. You know Hitch though. He and Marnie had some trouble along those lines... but this is a PG rated site, correct? Though occasionally R for Language, Harsh Thoughts and Extreme Neurosis.

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I agree on the strong romantic element in Hitchcock. However how much of that is due to the Hollywood-mandated story requirements of the time?

One thing that is certain is that Herrmann responded in an extreme way to any romantic element in the story. He was as much or more capable of intense emotionalism in his scores as he was of impressionistic description.

One aspect of Vertigo however that always strikes me is that the music is constructed in a formal way that reflects the storyline, for example in using the unresolved bitonal and augmented chords to accompany the lack of resolution in the Stewart character's situation all throughout the film, and then - only at the climax of the "theme d'amour" and at the end - having a huge major chord resolution, not of triumph, but of a pathetic illusion in the first case, and of deadly finality in the second.

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@evanevans said:

By the way you guys are talking about "the score" to Psycho it makes me believe that I know something you don't about that "score".

I'll give you a hint.

The "score" to Psycho, is not really a score.

[;)]

Evan Evans

[:D] This is now the third time, right?

Yeah probably is. But some either give the writing too much credit or don't give enough credit to how ingenius Herrmann was particularly on that "score".

Evan Evans

It doesn't bother me he did that. It is perfect however it was gestated. The reverse of what Vaughn Williams did with Sinfonia Antarctica. On that he took his score for "Scott of the Antarctic" and turned it into a symphony.

Actually, Vertigo is generally considered in polls of critics throughout the world to be one of the ten greatest films ever made. Robin Wood in his Hitchcock study which established all Hitchcock studies now current said it was "one of the four or five films most profound and beautiful films the cinema has yet given us." The "flawed masterpiece" is usually identified as Marnie, established as that by Truffaut who admired it greatly but recognized the difficulties in it, caused partly by Hitchcock's obsessions. A polite word one might use.

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While I would agree that Vertigo is Herrmann's best score, my favorite is his lesser known but equally awesom Fahrenheit 451. Some beautiful string/percussion/harp writing in that score. The final cue is sublime.

I agree on the Fahrenheit 451. Especially the end section. I've always felt that is an incredibly beautiful melody that disproves the concept that Herrmann didn't write melodies. It is rather like Ravel, without being derivative. And the effect upon the film scene is completely transforming.

Lest us not forget CAPE FEAR.

Evan Evans

Yes, Cape Fear is another great score. Of course it should be heard in the original, not in that overrated grotesquerie of a remake.