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  • Yes, great thread. If you can, please post your results!

    I might add the wow and flutter issues. The old machines were quite shaky in speed. So add some random varyspeed.

    And, I agree, probably you wont be able to beat the results you can get with a real old machine, although an optical print might come out a *little* expensive [;)]
    But if you use a reel to reel machine you can even mechanically influence your result. Scratch the magnetic surface and you´ll get some very beautiful breakups and distortions you probably won´t get with digital simulation.

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  • Why not run it lightly through a de-noise plug-in like Sonic Foudry's a couple times. if you did it right you would ruin the presence of the note attacks and add some mild cruddy artifacts. Then EQ out everything below 500hz and above 5Khz and you're done!!

  • Didn't they use Strohviols a lot for solo parts in those days? It was a fiddle with a horn attached.

  • I wonder why is it so interesting to re-create the "sound" of that past time?

    Is it because there is no sound to our time? Just ... "realism" ?

    What an accomplishment the people of today have created:

    nothingness.

  • William - the "realism" of today is always the vintage sound of tomorrow ...

    /Dietz

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • You mean, people will try to imitate sucking strings and poor reverbs to get that 90's game feeling? [;)] Long live Amiga!

  • No, people will be like, "Back then, AltiVerb couldn't even do flanging!"

    [H]

    Evan Evans

  • Regarding orchestration from the era, a book was written around that time (or slightly after) called "Orchestration for the Theater" by Francis M. Collinson (London: John Lane The Bodley Head, no date found). Needless to say, it's out of print, but you might keep an eye out for it in used book store or web searches.

    It quotes liberally from the arrangements of Orellana and Robert Russell Bennett.

    I was reminded of it by William's mention of five violins. The book discusses how to score for small, changeable string sections, so that, when your budget for the performance is progressively cut, or players on a bender don't make it that night, the string sound is minimally affected. They didn't think in terms of firsts and seconds, really. Violins were often scored on three staves, A, B, and C. Six or seven violins was a common total.

    The author is careful to avoid two violins on any clearly audible part. One, he says, is solo and melodic; three is an ensemble. He considers two best hidden in harmonic support. Debatable, perhaps, but I do think it was common practice then.

    And they often doubled instruments, almost as much of a stop-gap for bad playing or a safeguard against missing players. Shades of junior high band. But the practice of doubling tends to define that sonority (as mentioned by others here).

    Though this is not its intent, the book becomes a default overview of the earliest film music because such pit bands were a. what they knew, and b. what they could afford.

    And (I'm guessing), it was just before composers were learning how microphones and rudimentary mixing were changing the acoustic rules in which they'd been trained. In fact, the author alludes disparagingly to the impact technology was beginning to have on theater orchestration (I think his perspective was late thirties, early forties, in London).

    By the way, I know that Gilbert and Sullivan's Mikado is available in a Dover score, and other operettas are probably offered too. What strikes you immediately is the utter simplicity of orchestration -- which is likely the sound you're looking for. In this sense, the term "film music" betrays us on many levels. Chamber strings is absolutely what you want.

  • I find that very interesting and may try to pick up that book. I have a large number of 78s of Gilbert and Sullivan and you're right - those are good examples of this sound.

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