by the way, is it possibe to change the legato toll values for release via midi, e.g. via contoll change. i think it would be usefull, would't it?
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@DG said:
For some reason my Legato always sounds rather choppy; I have no idea what I am doing wrong, unless it is meant to sound like this. The only way I seem to get a legato sound is if I layer it with a sus sound from the Cube. Is there a better way?
DG
Yes, me too. The other instruments, like clarinet, play a beautiful legato, but when I go to V14 it sounds like I might as well not have the PTool. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, and I've messed with the leg threshold and release and it just makes things worse....(for me)...
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Yes, me too. The other instruments, like clarinet, play a beautiful legato, but when I go to V14 it sounds like I might as well not have the PTool. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, and I've messed with the leg threshold and release and it just makes things worse....(for me)...
Hi Tom, like yourself I'm new to the VSL malarkey and have yet to figure out what my best working pattern is. In the past I could knock up demos very quickly, but with so many added complications, I think that it will take me longer in the future, even when I have learned what I need to. However, I'm hoping that the standard of demos will improve somewhat.
I think that the leg threshhold is really only designed to compensate for bad (or less accomplished) playing; I don't think that it will "improve" the legato [:(]
DG
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Do you use Opus 1? Or the Pro edition? For some reason the release times of the individual samples were changed between the first edition and the Opus release. The first edition samples had a release time of 0.25s which made real-time playing a breeze, Opus is apparently using a release time of 0.05s if I remember correctly. It certainly harms the legato.@tom@aerovons.com said:
Yes, me too. The other instruments, like clarinet, play a beautiful legato, but when I go to V14 it sounds like I might as well not have the PTool. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, and I've messed with the leg threshold and release and it just makes things worse....(for me)...
You will need to change this with the giga editor. I don't know if my comments hold true for the pro edition.
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@William said:
"VSL malarkey..."
For non-native English speakers: Malarkey = bullshit.
"I hope the standard of demos will improve"
Sniff, sniff... (accompanied by nose in the air.)
thanks! I appreciate it.
Not quite an acurate translation of Malarkey, I'm afraid WIlliam. It is not "b***shit", but more unwanted hassle. I also seem to remember reading a previous post of yours where you lamented the fact that we all have to become pseudo computer geeks rather than composers...!
As for the sniffing, I assume that you must be suffering from hayfever, or some such allergy; maybe the reason your nose is in the air is to stop it dripping onto the keyboard.
Regarding my comment about the standard of my demos, I think that as I've heard them and you haven't, I'm entitled to disparage them [:(]
DG
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@DG said:
Regarding my comment about the standard of my demos, I think that as I've heard them and you haven't, I'm entitled to disparage them DG
In the key of malar! I think malarkey means confusion. When you said 'standard of demos', I assume you meant the standard of your demos. Why don't you post one of your demos and then see if anyone here can come up with where the malarkey is occuring with your performance tool problems? Is the performance tool really for bad or less accomplished keyboard players? If thats true, I'm concerned, because I'm rejigging my system to incorporate this function, and if that's all its for, then theres no point in me getting it, because I'm a fantastic keyboard player. Of course, not all musicians on this forum are keyboard players, thankfully. [:P]
Rob Elliot started this post, and having heard a few things by Rob over time, I went to his website and downloaded 5 or 6 pieces. I assume Rob is a keyboard player and has used the perf tool on these pieces. They are excellent pieces and if that was helped along with the performance tool, then I could definately use it. I understand there will be a DVD or Video coming out as a learning curve for the Performance Tool. Any news on that?
With regard to Bill and computer nerds. That post was in essence to segregate the forum and help with having to wade through tons of stuff that eventually went off-topic, Hence the Orchestration area.
Honestly DG! Snot on the keyboard? Is that the best you can come up with? I've smashed more keyboards than you've had hot dinners. Mini Moogs, pianos, harpsichords, Hammond organs; you name it. Set fire to a Hammond once actually, but that was a smoking accident, so it does'nt count. That turned out to be malarkey. [:O]ops:
All the best
PR
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@PaulR said:
Why don't you post one of your demos and then see if anyone here can come up with where the malarkey is occuring with your performance tool problems? PR
I may well post a demo when I've actually managed to come up with something that sounds half decent... [:(]
DG
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@DG said:
I may well post a demo when I've actually managed to come up with something that sounds half decent... [:(] DG
That defeats the object. If it's half decent, then you don't need any help with the preformance tool at that stage, do you? Stick something up that shows up the problem. Nobody is going to worry if it sounds crap. Forget about pride. I don't have the perf tool yet, as I mentioned, so I, and many others would like to get to the bottom of this.
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i noticed that a lot of my notes weren't legato and then realized that it seemed to be when the starting note finished *after* the beginning of the next note (i.e. a few ticks of polyphony.) When I told cubase to clip the notes against each other so that they no longer overlapped, it got a lot better. Also, when i forced a few ticks of pause between the notes (in Cubase SX, you can set a legato offset) it improved even more. I'm not sure about the mechanics of perfectly flush midi events or overlapping midi events.
Anyway, give that a shot. I was skeptical at first, too, but soon thereafter, I was floored. Some of transitions are like glass. I'll try and post something as soon as I figure out how to record out of gigastudio.
-denny-
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Gentlemen,
The performance tool is a midi enabling device that allows for use of VSL's unique sampling structure as found in the PerfLegato instruments. It's not an aid to keyboard facility in any way but an interface in the technical sense.
Someone else could say that much better.
Paul is a fantastic keyboard player?
How's your typing?
Dave Connor
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@bluedane said:
i noticed that a lot of my notes weren't legato and then realized that it seemed to be when the starting note finished *after* the beginning of the next note (i.e. a few ticks of polyphony.) When I told cubase to clip the notes against each other so that they no longer overlapped, it got a lot better. Also, when i forced a few ticks of pause between the notes (in Cubase SX, you can set a legato offset) it improved even more. I'm not sure about the mechanics of perfectly flush midi events or overlapping midi events.
Anyway, give that a shot. I was skeptical at first, too, but soon thereafter, I was floored. Some of transitions are like glass. I'll try and post something as soon as I figure out how to record out of gigastudio.
-denny-
I shall try out all of these suggestions; hopefully one of them will work for me.
Thanks, DG
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@dpcon said:
Paul is a fantastic keyboard player?
How's your typing?
Dave Connor
Dave. I've explained this before. You weren't paying attention as usual! I don't type! I dictate! One of my secretaries then types it out. I just pace around whatever room I'm in at the time (usually wearing an expensive suit) and hope that they type it out in an accurate fashion. Any spelling mistakes, or misquotes are no concern of mine from there on in. Although, I will admit, if I've had a drink, there may be discrepencies re: slurred speech. [:O]ops:
Fantastic keyboard player? Fantastic can mean many things. Weird and wonderful immediately springs to mind. I once played a Mozart sonata upside down, worse for drink, using only my nose. It may have sounded dreadful, but it was fantastic! I once played Scott Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag (in A flat..ohh yes)......backwards...using only the available cuttlery at the time. Let's face it Dave. I'm light years ahead of anyone here! I once challenged my harpsichord tutor (she'd pissed me right off) to a duel..playing Bachs 1st movement of The Italian Concerto... using 2 harpsichords from 20 paces...firing at the notes with BB guns. She refused. I rest my case!
[:D]
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@William said:
DG,
You know, you're right. It is just shocking how little attention I pay to such fine, precise, elegant prose as yours. I really should be ashamed of myself and hang on every word that drops like a pearl from your keyboard.
(Or somewhere else?)
Quite right, whatever and wherever [6]
DG
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@DG said:
Quite right, whatever and wherever [6] DG
DG. Oy! Your post on demo's was ambiguous, to say the least. I read it that way too, albeit incorrectly. I hold my hands up and say I can be ambiguous too, but your comment was blatent. I think you need to be clearer in what you say, otherwise I won't know what you mean. Enough already!
PR
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@DG said:
Quite right, whatever and wherever [6] DG
DG. Oy! Your post on demo's was ambiguous, to say the least. I read it that way too, albeit incorrectly. I hold my hands up and say I can be ambiguous too, but your comment was blatent. I think you need to be clearer in what you say, otherwise I won't know what you mean. Enough already!
PR
I accept that you might have found my post ambiguous, but if I thought that the "Official" demos were so bad, why would I have bought the product?