@cm said:

fifth post in this thread ... regarding the fact it is linked here - usually you might have read some disgruntled comment from me or another moderator, but espexcially taking into account gary's dedication to sampling, i'd consider it as *just informational*.
as you know there has been actually a cooperation between garritan and VSL (cross-upgrade from GPO to opus) and we don't want to start counting referrers from other forums to ours and vice versa now ...
christian

How noble........ [H]

DG

@DG said:

I must also admit that I was slightly irked by the fact that a link to this product was posted on a rival company's forum; the height of bad manners IMO.

DG

Where was that?
Sorry, I should have been more accurate. It was a link to a thread started by the product developer telling us how good it was. I just don't think that when we are guests of VSL we should be promoting other company's products in the VSL forum, but maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Or maybe I'm just old [[:|]]

DG

Well, it's not even his own part of the northernsounds forum, and it wasn't linked by himself. I think it's a good thing to discuss his new range of products here, I didn't percieve it as a promotion.

I am, no doubt, the guilty party as I first brought up Garritan violin here as an example of morphing/modeling technology. I listened to the demo (I won't comment on the music itself) and found it less than ideally skillful in its deployment of the solo violin - - especially in regard to the use of vibrato and its simulation of bowing and phrasing. I'm certain that members of this forum would do a much better job with this instrument, but I still remain uncertain as to the quality of the underlying samples. With any luck, one of my colleagues will be the guinea pig and buy the Garritan violin (version 2) when it is released so I can get to hear it in person. Clearly, sampling technology is advancing and morphing/modeling will have its place especially when we get machines with 8 processing cores (early next year). In the meantime one can always mix and match (I even found the Dan Dean solo cello invaluable for certain passages of a recent string quartet realization - - so you can definitely accuse me of a lack of taste.) as well as using all available VI parameters.

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@stevesong said:

I am, no doubt, the guilty party as I first brought up Garritan violin here as an example of morphing/modeling technology. I listened to the demo (I won't comment on the music itself)...

I must take the blame there, as I actually put up the link. But I assure you I meant no disrespect to VSL forums; just trying to let stevesong know there was an improvement in the second version. Please forgive, and no bad manners were intended. Forum etiquette takes time to culture, but I'm a fast learner [:O]ops:

Mahlon Bouldin

@stevesong said:

I am, no doubt, the guilty party as I first brought up Garritan violin here as an example of morphing/modeling technology. I listened to the demo (I won't comment on the music itself)...

I must take the blame there, as I actually put up the link. But I assure you I meant no disrespect to VSL forums; just trying to let stevesong know there was an improvement in the second version. Please forgive, and no bad manners were intended. Forum etiquette takes time to culture, but I'm a fast learner [:O]ops:

Mahlon BouldinSorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

I have to admit i'm the same. There's something.....awkward about seeing another library mentioned here. As if someone tried to park a ford in the space marked 'rolls royce.'

It's just not done.

Regards,

Alex.

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]


HAhaha! That's good in context. I had the same problem - someone outside the house yesterday was shouting ' Macs, Macs - we want Macs' - I looked outside and it was pissing down with rain.

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]


HAhaha! That's good in context. I had the same problem - someone outside the house yesterday was shouting ' Macs, Macs - we want Macs' - I looked outside and it was pissing down with rain.
Rain. Mmmmmmmmm, I remember what that used to look like. My garden could do with some.

DG

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]


HAhaha! That's good in context. I had the same problem - someone outside the house yesterday was shouting ' Macs, Macs - we want Macs' - I looked outside and it was pissing down with rain.
Rain. Mmmmmmmmm, I remember what that used to look like. My garden could do with some.

DG

And the, erm, apple trees. How are they?
[:O]

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]


HAhaha! That's good in context. I had the same problem - someone outside the house yesterday was shouting ' Macs, Macs - we want Macs' - I looked outside and it was pissing down with rain.
Rain. Mmmmmmmmm, I remember what that used to look like. My garden could do with some.

DG

And the, erm, apple trees. How are they?
[:O]
I dug them up years ago, as they were incredibly slow to grow, parts kept dying and were totally unproductive [:D]

DG

@DG said:

Sorry if I was a little grumpy over this matter, but despite all appearances to the contrary I do really believe in good manners. The last couple of days have been manic for me, so I'm sure that I could have been a little more tactful. Anyway, no harm done as cm seems happy with the situation.

DG

Get yourself a mac, Daryl.
Sooth the nerves. [[:|]]

Alex.Too slow, too expensive, nothing runs on them and can't run a dongle. Yeah, I'm really going to get a Mac [8-)]

DG

Hehe, sorry, i should have explained myself a little better.
I meant a raincoat..........

[H]


HAhaha! That's good in context. I had the same problem - someone outside the house yesterday was shouting ' Macs, Macs - we want Macs' - I looked outside and it was pissing down with rain.
Rain. Mmmmmmmmm, I remember what that used to look like. My garden could do with some.

DG

And the, erm, apple trees. How are they?
[:O]
I dug them up years ago, as they were incredibly slow to grow, parts kept dying and were totally unproductive [:D]

DG
Really?
Just curious Daryl, how many did you have?

[*-)]:

Only two, but that was enough for a lifetime.

D

@DG said:

Only two, but that was enough for a lifetime.

D

Gee. Two?


[:P]

despite the apple trees which i'm sure make a fine cider this fall, did i get this right that there is a controverse gap between those constructing phrases excessively using the single samples of a library and those attempting to play them in realtime using any kind of performance algorithms...
when i first heared the demo which was initially postet here, i was very impressed with the sound, but upon listening closely a couple of times i doubt its distinctiveness..
still leaves the thing that we would all need a hell of a lot more dynamic samples
the morphing thing seems an interesting aspect though

I just happened to stumble upon this thread and am baffled by some of the comments, especially from DG.

What the hell is everybody's gripe with the Garritan violin? To this date, the Garritan Stadivari is about the only violin I've heard that could pass off as real in a recording when playing expressive passages. If you want to hear a very lousy and sickly sounding violin, check out Gigaviolin, a lame attempt to do what Garritan did.

The VSL solo string demos weren't as convincing. Some of that had to do with the cellos, though some of the more recent tests Beat Kaufman do sound pretty good. Timbre-wise the Garritan sounds pretty damn good too. I'm not hearing the same sample recording playing back time and time again, as I have in the VSL demos. The sound is full-bodied, and even the high notes which I originally thought sounded a bit off seem like they may have been corrected.

Based on other things DG has said, I'm not sure I can take what he says very seriously. For instance his comment about Macs being too slow compared to PCs. Geez. My 2GHz WinXP PC can take 2 minutes to find a file, the Mac does the same thing in one second. My old Apple II can render about 10 frames of game graphics and sound, while the PC takes that long do draw a 6"x6" transparent blue square. PC takes several seconds just to display a list of the ~70 installed apps, takes 35 seconds to delete 3000 emails, takes a few seconds to update icons with their pictures, takes minutes to switch to using virtual memory, and the list of snail-like behavior goes on and on. The modern PowerPC CPU at the same clock rate averages twice the speed of that gawd awful archaic 1975 Intel architecture. Not to mention Windows has about 30 bugs to every 1 Apple has. So I don't know how much credibility I put in the words of DG.

These massive GB sample libraries are going to collapse under their own weight. I remember how long it took for VSL to get a short little solo string demo done (Schubert quartet). And I haven't seen any other VSL solo string piece that moved beyond that Schubert one in all this time. So much for productivety.

-Elhardt

@Another User said:

What the hell is everybody's gripe with the Garritan violin? To this date, the Garritan Stadivari is about the only violin I've heard that could pass off as real in a recording when playing expressive passages.

[8-)]

@elhardt said:

.......So I don't know how much credibility I put in the words of DG.

-Elhardt

However, judging by what you think an orchestra playing Beethoven sounds like, I could easily say "right back at ya". [:D]

DG