10 Macs - holy hell!
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Hi....
I run 1 Mac 2.0 DUAL G5
My orchestral template for Logic Audio loads up 3.5 gig of Vienna Instruments....and all is well.....
A truly great system.
SvK
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DG...
Right...
If you want to have fun and write good stuff........STAY AWAY from a laptop....get a tower and 2 monitors......this will greatly reduce stress.
SvK
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To Mac or not to Mac, that is the question i see before me.
So, let me see......
I use a G4 laptop for intertythingy, and everything else. Logic continues to be poor in the Score department. Sibelius is good for scoring, but lousy on playback. (IMHO) Cubase used to be deficient in the scoring department too, but i understand it has improved at a faster rate than Logic. Never used DP, or Sonar. Logic has the EXS, still a good instrument, well written. (A pat on the back for the old Emagic team.)
Mac's gone Intel, with an emphasis on gadgets, Widgets, Tadgets, digits, etc, with an even more pronounced emphasis on capturing the graphic market at the expense of us muso types, and the latest test figures have conflicting evidence in terms of performance. Windows still has the problem with internetythingy and nasty little throwbacks, trying to compensate for a lack of a girlfriend, lack of ability to interact with any meaningful degree with their fellow human beings, or lack of any chance of experiencing a real life, by writing all sorts of nasty viruses and trojans. Still, an audio setup wouldn't include internetythingy anyway. That's what the G4 is for.
And rumour has it Giga will be taking a big jump forward soon ,married to the faster, and finally more reliable Windows audio setup.
Hmmm, some tough choices.
However, i think Mac have not advanced for us audio fellows to a sufficient degree that would convince me to buy 5 of their flashy boxes and lash them together.
And then there's MIR.
It's looking like Windows and Cubase at this stage. Or Linux and a shed load of cash developing a decent sequencer. given the hype around Mac, and the general scepticism from many, one can only assume they're relying on the 'cute' factor to sell their stuff.
Better dust off the old Cubase Software i think, and look at a copy of Nuendo to boot. Unless of course someone convinces me this is a completely bad idea, and gives me hard evidence to back up the point.
But then i've never been brand loyal in a computer sense.
It is after all a collection of electronic transistors, resistors, wires, and a big TV, with ones and zeros driving it all.
Whatever does the job better, faster, with less hassle suits me.
Regards,
Alex.
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Alex,
here we go [;)]
Apple and Logic are PERFECT for running Venna Instruments........
DIE PC DIE [;)]
SvK
PLUS ...you PC dudes need to do all kindsa crazy, zany things to get beyond even 2GIG!!!
Shhhhh###$$$$$$$tt.....i run 3.5 gig straight out of my MAC G5 ......yeaaahhhh baby
SvK
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Thanks everyone for the responses!
DG - You raise a very good point. A little more info, and a question:
My 2.4 Ghz Pentium IV laptop maxes out at 1GB RAM. I prefer laptops because I am a hobbyist and I like my system to be mobile. ESPECIALLY now, as I will be moving to Hong Kong for 4 months, and will have a very small corporate apartment. I crashed Logic with just 3 instances of VI, and now it can't even find the plug-in. Stress tests posted on the forum say I ought to be doing better than that. I would be happy to have 5-10 instances and 160 voices - they're getting that with a system like mine.
I would consider getting a new PC laptop.
I stick with Logic for one reason: I'm just an amateur, and its what I started out with (before Audio). Most importantly, I like the Score functions. I really prefer to write my music on the score, and last time I upgraded, no one else had scoring functions that equaled Logic's. That was a while ago. Now I see that Cubase has pretty fancy scoring functions that may exceed Logic, especially the Midi-meaning for score symbols (even crescendo!). Perhaps I could even use those to change cells in the matrix... I'm a pretty quick study, and not so good with Logic anyway. How hard is Cubase to learn?
Cubase SL vs. SX3?
Also of potential interest: Logic Pro 7.2 is Intel Dual native, but if you look at the posts on Apple's site, they all are negative - crashing, etc, doesn't work...
Thoughts? BTW, I'm really appreciative of all the advice from the experienced pros. Almost embarrased to be mistaken for one of you. Once I get this thing up and running, perhaps I'll post an MP3 to show you all what you helped me do.
Best regards,
Eric
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Regarding LOGIC 7.2
IT Runs like a dream.........it doesn't crash ...I run it every day for 15 hours using nothing but VSL /VI and space-designer plugs ++++ CS80, MiniMoog, Reaktor , Absynth......
SvK
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@svonkampen said:
Hi....
I run 1 Mac 2.0 DUAL G5
My orchestral template for Logic Audio loads up 3.5 gig of Vienna Instruments....and all is well.....
A truly great system.
SvK
With all due respect, a 2.0 DUAL G5 is not a laptop.........
DG
What do you think Daryl?
Pc or Mac?
Where's the mileage in the next 4 years? (No pressure, you understand)
Regards,
Alex.
p.s. How's the shed coming on?
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VISTA is not ready (and it will NOT be for years)....and once it is it will have teething issues galore.....(for years)
Once the Intel Apple Towers are released they will have a 64bit chip enabling Logic to adress 8gig of RAM.......that is what I am waiting for
SvK
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@elksman said:
My 2.4 Ghz Pentium IV laptop maxes out at 1GB RAM. I prefer laptops because I am a hobbyist and I like my system to be mobile. ESPECIALLY now, as I will be moving to Hong Kong for 4 months, and will have a very small corporate apartment. I crashed Logic with just 3 instances of VI, and now it can't even find the plug-in. Stress tests posted on the forum say I ought to be doing better than that. I would be happy to have 5-10 instances and 160 voices - they're getting that with a system like mine.
I would consider getting a new PC laptop.
I stick with Logic for one reason: I'm just an amateur, and its what I started out with (before Audio). Most importantly, I like the Score functions. I really prefer to write my music on the score, and last time I upgraded, no one else had scoring functions that equaled Logic's. That was a while ago. Now I see that Cubase has pretty fancy scoring functions that may exceed Logic, especially the Midi-meaning for score symbols (even crescendo!). Perhaps I could even use those to change cells in the matrix... I'm a pretty quick study, and not so good with Logic anyway. How hard is Cubase to learn?
Cubase SL vs. SX3?
Also of potential interest: Logic Pro 7.2 is Intel Dual native, but if you look at the posts on Apple's site, they all are negative - crashing, etc, doesn't work...
Thoughts? BTW, I'm really appreciative of all the advice from the experienced pros. Almost embarrased to be mistaken for one of you. Once I get this thing up and running, perhaps I'll post an MP3 to show you all what you helped me do.
Best regards,
Eric
OK, well if you are set on getting a laptop then all this talk of RAM is irrelevant as I don't think that any flavour of laptop does more than 2Gb (please correct me if I'm wrong). So the choice should become easier. I would recommend Cubase SX, run it from your current PC and see if you like it. Then if it all works to your liking, then get a new PC laptop. If you wish to wait a few months then you could consider a MacIntel lappy (I can't remember what it is called) and run Logic. However, I wouldn't recommend an old Mac laptop, as it will be far slower than newer models of either PC of Mac.
Oh, and another thing. You could always put your old laptop to work as a slave on the end of a network and run a few VI instances via FX Teleport.
DG
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Logic continues to be poor in the Score department. Sibelius is good for scoring, but lousy on playback. (IMHO) Cubase used to be deficient in the scoring department too, but i understand it has improved at a faster rate than Logic.
Mr. Alex
How could logic be poor in the score depatment ? Its the only score program one can use with ease of use. Not to mention the rest of the monster features. Its the best program for score, it was originaly a score program. Logic users like to moan and groan & complain to apple to keep them abreast on the score feature upgrade issue.
If logic fixed its font (sonata, ect..) feature to use again. And implemented scanning.
There would not be a reason for one to use any other program.
The issue is using mac as opposed to pc. Pc is a world wide standard that is put together by many companies. There-fore its feasable to use for any manufacturers for business & marketing. Thats were the money is. And its price is very low. Getting it to use for multiple software is the issue. Mac is built by one company therefore its software will work no questions asked. Because they only have to test it out on one computer put together by one company. Of-course you already know that. but if you at any time feel that you have gotten some bad information and or misconceptions and need to escape from the land of slavic, (I think it stands for the land of slaves) . Don't hesitate to Bluetooth yourself west via, Modem and scotty, captain kurk and the uss enterprise. Any of us will be glad to help. Also The prices on the hoof is low this time of the year.
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@hermitage59 said:
What do you think Daryl?
Pc or Mac?
Where's the mileage in the next 4 years? (No pressure, you understand)
Regards,
Alex.
p.s. How's the shed coming on?
[:)]
Laptop is the key here. At the moment (leaving Logic out of the equation) it has to be PC.
Long term I see no plan from Apple that can compete with Vista, and while I would agree that there will be problems in the initial stages, Apple has more than enough on it's plate to cope with the Intel releases that I don't see it being a rival for at least a couple of years.
However, by that time who knows. Apple may have lost it's monopoly (I already know two people who have built their own Macs) and become a software only company, because if the hardware was officially an open platform, then I can't see many Macs being sold. However, in this case there might be many more people running OSX (or whatever animal it is by then) so "Mac users" might be a much higher percentage of the computer using population.
For someone starting out today with nothing, there really is a difficult choice ahead. PC, outdated in 1 year (but cheap), old Mac (had a farm?) outdated already, but at least it works, and MacIntel, which is all but useless at the moment, as hardly anything runs properly on it (in our field).
DG
PS. Windows (nothing to do with Bill Gates) are going in on Wednesday and then the rest starts next week.
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Logic continues to be poor in the Score department. Sibelius is good for scoring, but lousy on playback. (IMHO) Cubase used to be deficient in the scoring department too, but i understand it has improved at a faster rate than Logic.
Mr. Alex
How could logic be poor in the score depatment ? Its the only score program one can use with ease of use. Not to mention the rest of the monster features. Its the best program for score, it was originaly a score program. Logic users like to moan and groan & complain to apple to keep them abreast on the score feature upgrade issue.
If logic fixed its font (sonata, ect..) feature to use again. And implemented scanning.
There would not be a reason for one to use any other program.
The issue is using mac as opposed to pc. Pc is a world wide standard that is put together by many companies. There-fore its feasable to use for any manufacturers for business & marketing. Thats were the money is. And its price is very low. Getting it to use for multiple software is the issue. Mac is built by one company therefore its software will work no questions asked. Because they only have to test it out on one computer put together by one company. Of-course you already know that. but if you at any time feel that you have gotten some bad information and or misconceptions and need to escape from the land of slavic, (I think it stands for the land of slaves) . Don't hesitate to Bluetooth yourself west via, Modem and scotty, captain kurk and the uss enterprise. Any of us will be glad to help. Also The prices on the hoof is low this time of the year.
RK dear fellow!
I'm shocked at this! Logic, good in the score department? When you can't even play in the notes, unless you're in the arrange window? Where correcting the odd mistake calls for restructuring a bar, semiquaver by semiquaver?
Yes, i think the lure of all by Mac for Mac has been an attraction for many, as the one company marketing has worked pretty well. But i'm not so sure anymore. I think the cute pink and white gucci look is getting a little tired, and people are actually focussing on the performance instead of the hype. In a way, BG and Windows don't have that much to lose, as the general public have been resigned to probs with windows for long enough to be used to upgrading etc.
The MOST reliable setup i ever had, was a cutdown version of Win98 (Thanks to a neat little program called Win98 Lite Pro that removed Explorer and a lot of other stuff) running Cubase 3.5 or so. That cooked, didn't play up, took everything i threw at it, never howled when i plugged the mic or keyboard in, etc.
It wouldn't handle today's giant sample libraries, but in that snapshot in time (about 5 years) it worked a treat, and did the job.
Slavic stands for warrior, and there's enough on the hoof here that dresses most elegantly, with class, to keep my attention for some time!
And from what i've read about Nuendo, and the development going on, things may tip the other way soon. I hope so. I've spent a lot of money over the years on '80% useable software.' I'd like to use something that just goes, without a hassle, and plays stuff back the way i want it, without having to compromise all the time.
Regards,
Alex.
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