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  • @Cyril-Blanc said:
    So it confirm that MIR PRO 3D is not a Dolby Atmos solution, only a "specialisation" solution.

    No, I wrote "spatialisation", which is much more than just Dolby Atmos, as it isn't restricted to one proprietary format.

    @Cyril-Blanc said:
    I forgot to mention that you cannot move an instrument in realtime in MIR, so Logic solution is not "basic"

    It is "basic" in the sense that it just changes levels, nothing else. If this fits our needs, go for it!

    @Cyril-Blanc said:
    As said before, VSL could add a Dolby Atmos 9.x.x venue and give the possibility to distribute the instruments.

    Just select the proper Output Format in MIR 3D, and you're done. Here you see one of several presets available for this task:

    @Cyril-Blanc said:
    Other solution is to use MIR PRO 3D and do the panning in Logic.

    Whatever fits your needs. This is quite contrary to the intended workflow of MIR 3D, but if you like the results you achieve like that - why not!

    @Cyril-Blanc said:
    If you do not use MIR, what reverb will you use with Logic only solution ? a MIR X on every track ?

    Well - most MIR 3D users would say: Use MIR 3D. If you prefer your beloved Logic: Go for it. I don't understand the idea of using MIRx, though, as it is a legacy product that offers stereo spatialisation only, and it is available for Vienna Instruments exclusively.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi @Dietz

    You are in full contradiction, you say to use Logic with MIR but you say that VSL will not provide profile in MIR for the new Synchron Violin and Cello

    @Dietz said:
    Just select the proper Output Format in MIR 3D, and you're done. Here you see one of several presets available for this task

    The image does not show where are placed the microphones
    Is that a bunch of balloons😀

    @Dietz said:
    "spatialisation

    That is what I mean, it is a typo


  • this should be the representation of the microphones, to the user to place them.


  • I see. Well, that's neither the way actual 3D recordings of any kind are made (be it 9.x.4 or any other format), nor the way MIR 3D works. If that's what you expect, then you should really think about selling your MIR 3D licence and read up on modern recording techniques.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • @Cyril Blanc I think language may be getting in the way again. Reading @Dietz’s reply’s and your posts there seems to be a lot of cross purpose.


    Just a beginner
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  • @Dietz said:

    I see. Well, that's neither the way actual 3D recordings of any kind are made (be it 9.x.4 or any other format), nor the way MIR 3D works. If that's what you expect, then you should really think about selling your MIR 3D licence and read up on modern recording techniques.

    Hi @Dietz

    I am lost, I am a beginner, can you explain what I should do to provide a Dolby Atmos recording to be sold on Apple Music


  • Gents The discussion is interesting but I was trying to avoid MIR here and discuss the use of the Synchron player mics for Dolby Atmos a valid topic as it even has a dedicated video.

    Gents keep cool. Dietz has mentioned many times in different threads that a Synchron instrument is not meant to be used in MIR. This is regretful but I fully understand that the close mics signals of the SY Stage A recordings are not dry enough as a source for MIR. So therefore I opened my separate topic purely dedicated to the full Synchron Libraries microphone use in particular for Dolby Atmos.

    Dietz maybe you can clarify the relative microphone heights which should be entered in the Atmos objects. Firstly, am I correct that the SY decca tree and surround mics were at about 3 m above the stage and secondly do you have info on how high the "High" and High Sur" mics were mounted during the recording?

    A last point on microphone positions; on the overview page of the libraries, the SY Brass and WW show a different, wider, surround microphone setup than the SY strings and percussion libraries. I am not sure why as especially the percussion instrument positioning covers the whole width of the SY Stage. Do all sketches on the library overview pages reflect the actual recording position or is there an issue with the sketches?

    It is possible to set up the Atmos object consistent with the real microphone positions. So if these libraries would indeed have a different surround widths dependent on the instrument group that is easy to enter in the 3D panner.


  • @Mavros said:
    Firstly, am I correct that the SY decca tree and surround mics were at about 3 m above the stage and secondly do you have info on how high the "High" and High Sur" mics were mounted during the recording?

    This is a question for @air Bernd Mazagg of Vienna Synchron Stage. 😊


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Thanks Dietz, Paul can probably also answer these questions as he presented the SY Player Atmos video made with Bernd’s input but I would be very happy with some input.

    I think it all goes back to the question if you in Dolby Atmos you have to closely simulate the real venue where the samples were recorded or you just use approximate positions in a more or less standardized (L/H/W) listening environment represented by the room graph with the object positions in the DAW or Dolby panner


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  • @Cyril Blanc - Moderate your tone and stay polite, please. So many people are trying to help you out with your confusion - you have no reason to complain.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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  • @Cyril Blanc Please enjoy the rest of the weekend and use the time to calm down.
    I've deleted some of your provoking posts that did not contain any relevant information.
    Such behavior is not welcome in this forum.


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