Converting a Logic Stereo project using MIR PRO 3D into Dolby Atmos 7.x.x

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello

Is there is somebody that have experiment in converting a Logic Stereo project using MIR PRO 3D into Dolby Atmos 7.x.x.

I use DEARVR-Monitor and I have also set my studio in 7.1.2
I use :

• Busses for each desk and each kind of instruments
• VI instruments
• Synchron.... instrument
• Kontakt instrument
• Opus instruments
• Logic instruments

What are the steps not to get this error message ?

I have ask to VSL support some help to give guidances but apparently they cannot help.

I have tried to convert a song (63 tracks) and my template song (130 tracks), each time it is a process of MANY MANY MANY hours of try an error, because MIR cannot not to set all the track to 7.x.x, the MIR plug in should set it automatically when you have define a venue in "immersive" mode.
An interim solution is to name the MIR PRO plug-in to MIR 7.x

If you select all the tracks to set them to MIR PRO 7.x.x, Logic goes in a dead loop, If you select 4 tracks only the 1st track is set to 7.x.x or it goes in a dead loop (you cannot imagine how many times I have "Force Quit" Logic, Mir and VE PRO. I get many Mir process running if I do not close them !!!!

VSL has to work on this when you select "immersive" mode in MIR and to be able to define the placement of all the microphones in the venue at the right hight.
A special venue for Dolby Atmos should help us a lot.

The result I have so far is quite fantastic, it demands just a lot of work in the MIX because you mix all your instrument in an area of a minimum of 10 speakers in 7.1.2 and 12 in 7.1.4

YOU RE-DISCOVER your piece of music, you have all your instruments around you IT'S ANOTHER FEELING

Best

Cyril

[Dietz]

The thing is that the only way the host (in your case: Logic) knows that MIR wants to switch from stereo to a multi channel format is to select the plug-in with the appropriate output number, e.g. "Stereo > 5.1.4". There's no way that MIR itself can trigger this change. (Sidenote: If you are using MIR 3D inside VE Pro, there is a dedicated command to change the format of a session autoatically).

Like mentioned several times in the manual and here in the forum, the very first instance of MIR therefore defines the format for all other instances that are inserted later.

@Cyril-Blanc said:
have ask to VSL support some help to give guidances but apparently they cannot help.

They did help you with the only official answer they can give - the actual workflow:

• 1. Save a Venue Preset with Roles for all Instances of MIR
• 2a. Change all instances of MIR to the variant with the intended output format, or
• 2b. Create a new session with MIR in the intended output format
• 3. Recall your Venue Preset and change MIR's Main Microphone to the intended format
• 4. Assign the saved Roles to the appropriate instances (... with a proper naming scheme the "Auto Assignment" should make this step easy.

However, there is a little-known trick to make the switch between format easier: You can always use "smaller" output formats like stereo in a MIR session that's actually set to surround or 3D. That way you will be able switch between these format instantly just by selecting the desired Main Microphone setting. Just keep in mind that you have to start in - say - 7.1.4 if you plan to use this format at a later point.

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello Andreas

I do not use VE PRO, all my VSL instruments are IN logic

The workflow given does not include instructions in Logic Pro 11 for instruments IN Logic.

• What order should you change the parameters not to get 130 times the error message above ?
• Why can't you set in Logic "MIR PRO" to "MIR PRO 7.x.x" to all the tracks at once without going in a dead loop ? *
• When do you have to set Logic to Surround ?
• When you you have to set MIR in "immersive" ?
• When do you have to set Logic in Atmos ?
• When you have change the MIR PRO 3D from stereo to "immersive" do you have the change all preset management ?
• When do you have to insert the DEARVR monitor

It's easy for you, you take a big Stereo Logic project using MIR PRO 3D and to convert it to an immersive and give us instructions,

I have propose to give you my 130 tracks Master Template to practice so you give us instruction

Give this work to your genius programmer so at least you suppress the DEAD LOOP problems

they are 3 cases :

• Stereo to 7.x
• mono to 7.x
• 7.x to 7.x

Its easy to add a few lines of programming when you launch MIR PRO

• IF the venue is "immersive" and all my MIR PRO plug-ins are set to STEREO then
• Set all the MIR PRO plug ins in 7.x
• Else End
  
  THANKS in advance

Best

Cyril

P.S. I made a few suggestions to improve the GREAT MIR PRO 3D, but as you do not get money out of this you prefer to make new libraries.

[Dietz]

Hi Cyril, I'm not Andreas, but I gave you the instructions just above.

What you see is no "deadloop of error messages", but simply the plug-in informing you that there are still instances of MIR 3D with mismatching formats. Like I pointed out before, MIR needs to see one (and only one) output format for all instances. As soon as you changed all of them to the chosen number of output channels, all will be fine.

Many DAWs allow for changing all insert slots of the same number on all selected tracks at once, so just make sure to have all MIR plug-ins on - say - slot #5, and it's a question of a few mouse clicks.

@Cyril-Blanc said:
P.S. I made a few suggestions to improve the GREAT MIR PRO 3D, but as you do not get money out of this you prefer to make new libraries.

If you do not stop making these unfounded allegations, I will no longer try my best to help you.

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello Dietz

Thanks for an answer on a Sunday.

As I have understand you do not use Logic.

Don't you have somebody that is familiar with Logic at VSL that could help us ?

Why don't you want to try on my Master template ?
to reproduce :

• set Logic to dolby atmos 7.x
• set the venues to immersive 7.x
• select all the instruments tracks
• put all the track to MIR PRO 7.x

This take 10 minutes
If you run this in debug mode you will see where is the dead loop

I have post specific questions it will be great if you can answer them.

The dead loop is the multicolor spinning wheel, this is when you try to set either all the track to MIR 7.x or either if you set a dozen of tracks.

When you change less than 4 track only one track is set to 7.x ; apparently there is a little bug in the AU MIR plug-in

There is no problem to set all the track to "surround" ; there is something in the MIR plugin that is causing the dead loop problem

Today you must change ONE track at a time and you get 130 times the error, you have this error each time you change a track to 7.x

Have a good Sunday

Best

Cyril

[Dietz]

Did you actually read what I wrote?

[Cyril Blanc]

I can say the same, you don't answer to my questions !

Thanks

[Cyril Blanc]

how can you avoid the error message and the dead loop ? it is quite simple questions

Thanks

[Dietz]

@Dietz said:
What you see is no "deadloop of error messages", but simply the plug-in informing you that there are still instances of MIR 3D with mismatching formats. Like I pointed out before, MIR needs to see one (and only one) output format for all instances. As soon as you changed all of them to the chosen number of output channels, all will be fine.

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello Again Dietz

There are two cases :

1) I do not get a dead loop of error messages as you said.

I get the dead loop with spinning wheel when I select all my instruments tracks and set them from MIR stereo to MIR 7.x, I have to Force Quit Logic and MirPro

2) I get the error message each time I select one track and set MIR stereo to MIR 7.x in Logic

It is thing I have tried to explain to support and to you ; is it a barrier language ?

I hope that now it is clear

Thanks

Cyril

@Dietz said:

@Dietz said:
What you see is no "deadloop of error messages", but simply the plug-in informing you that there are still instances of MIR 3D with mismatching formats. Like I pointed out before, MIR needs to see one (and only one) output format for all instances. As soon as you changed all of them to the chosen number of output channels, all will be fine.

[Dietz]

@Cyril-Blanc said:
2) I get the error message each time I select one track and set MIR stereo to MIR 7.x in Logic

And this is the only track with MIR inserted? No other instances anywhere?

[Cyril Blanc]

All the instruments and audio tracks have the MIR PRO plugin
The drums tracks are send to a bus and the bus is send to MIR

Please find after my venue and part of the 130 tracks in Logic's mixer

@Dietz said:

@Cyril-Blanc said:
2) I get the error message each time I select one track and set MIR stereo to MIR 7.x in Logic

And this is the only track with MIR inserted? No other instances anywhere?

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello Dietz

I have found that Immersive does not like that you send tracks to a bus and after to MIR

Kind regards

Cyril

[Dietz]

So you mean to say that you send mono- or stereo tracks to a mono- or stereo bus (i.e. a sub-mix), and this bus is put into MIR? Hmmmm - I see no reason why this shouldn't work.

[Cyril Blanc]

Hi Dietz

Did you find out why you cannot convert all the track at once from Mir Stereo to MIR 7.x ?

Best

Cyril

[Cyril Blanc]

I ham just converting another song

There are problem with bus :
When you send a track it does not show 7.1.2 ; that could explain the dead loop

[Cyril Blanc]

When you select a few track only the 1st one is set to 7.1.2

[Cyril Blanc]

if you set the bus like this MIR IS NOT HAPPY :

if you set the bus like this MIR is happy :

[Cyril Blanc]

another example
I have select all the brass.
Only the 1 track is converted to 7.1.2 and French horn 3 is displaying the error.

The only solution is to set one track at a time

[Dietz]

Thanks for the reproduction steps. Does this work with other plug-ins?