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  • Please open up or remove the "Edit" option's time-window for forum posters.

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    The "Style" options available for posting in the forum suggest reasonably large posts with somewhat sophisticated structures are feasible. And yet the time window in which the "Edit" option is available for a post is now extremely short - a few minutes - which appears very impractical and unfriendly, perhaps some might say rude or even oppressive. It's not at all in keeping with VSL's general ethos that we've come to know and admire over the years.

    Can this time window please be opened up substantially - or even better, removed altogether? And if not, why not?

    In any case, why is there this particular difference between the old and new forum functionalities?


  • @Macker said:
    Can this time window please be opened up substantially - or even better, removed altogether? And if not, why not?

    I had to add this restriction a few days ago to prevent misuse of this feature. Currently it's set to 10 minutes, which is enough time imo to fix typos / formatting.

    @Macker said:
    In any case, why is there this particular difference between the old and new forum functionalities?

    This is a completely different software that is modern and comes with a lot more features.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
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    Well I hate to disagree with you Ben but no it's not enough time. Indeed I'd call it seriously insufficient.

    And I'm puzzled by your use of the word "misuse". Would you please enlighten us?


  • @Macker said:
    And I'm puzzled about your use of the word "misuse". Would you please enlighten us?

    Primarily spam accounts that post something topic related via ChatGPT and edit there posts later to circumvent screening, adding links to malware and scams.

    But also users who like to edit months or years old posts (also happened a few times).

    I will keep monitoring the forum and might increase the edit-time a bit. What would be your suggestion?


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
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    Thanks for the explanation. Yes I can appreciate the case of dealing with bandits. Nevertheless such cases were dealt with effectively in the old forum.

    But I fail to see why legitimate users having afterthoughts about a post, even years later, is problematic for VSL. Even if bandits try that trick, responsibly-minded users can and probably will still report it.

    I prefer not to make any specific suggestion other than what I said in the OP - opening up the time window or even removing it. So if I may, I'll now leave it with the design authority.


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    Hah, talking about afterthoughts - just had an idea I'd like to leave with you. (No need to respond unless you really want to).

    How about a 2-tier forum in which actual customer accounts on the forum get the privilege of unrestricted editing and afterthoughts at any time, while anonymous accounts without proper evidence of any purchase from VSL can only access this 'strict' version of the forum. Lol.


  • If the edit window is open forever and an author edits his contribution that others used to cite from then the cited parts would not change. And it could be that the entire meaning of the thread is then a different one.

    Would that not be something that should be avoided?


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    An interesting point, Frankenstein, and one that potentially opens up a vast field of philosophical, moral and cultural questions about the nature, development and possible consequences of our post-Gutenberg epoch of written communication by electronic media.

    But I must duck all that and just say this: I believe we trust that members of this forum mostly exercise a good amount of honesty, integrity and empathic consideration in their posting. If a pivotal meaning in a post is to be altered, then surely a new post is warranted.

    However there is here, as in society generally, a minority who seek to subjugate, mislead and manipulate others by means of "gaslighting" and other deeply dishonest styles of communication, and who will not hesitate to edit vital meanings in their media posts just in order to sustain a blameless facade. But unfortunately for those toxic few, I notice the habit of quoting posts when replying or commenting is widespread here; I see that as an excellent and healthy means of forfending against gaslighting and other toxic forms of dishonest communication.

    Using post-send editing to deal with "oops" events is becoming commonplace in text forums. But I regard the 15 minute time window allowed for this in iMessage and WhatsApp for example, as too often too short for this forum which frequently deals with technically and artistically highly complex topics. After all, isn't this supposed to be a place in which smart, cultured and creative folks choose to communicate?


  • I agree it is a topic worth to discuss and not so easy as there are pros and cons on either side.

    Personally (and I take this only for myself and would not want others to behave the same), I would - in case I need to correct a previous statement - create a new post with reference to that statement. Then the logical flow is still maintained and I was able to correct myself. This communication style corresponds to verbal communication as well and - as you say - shouldn't really be an issue with smart, cultural and creative folks.


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    Hi, I discovered a little problem on the website. I don't see anymore the possibility to edit older messages after a while. Only new messages can be adjusted. I hope this is not by design...


  • most internet forums have this limitation of blocking editing after some time. I don't know if 10 minutes is the right amount of time, or perhaps 30 minutes? But generally if and when forums are left wide open to edit any time, it will be abused, not only by spammers, but also by dishonest posters creating drama and controversy.

    Think of a forum like a place where you express your thought, just as you would in real life speaking it; and once it comes out of your mouth, it's a permanent record. In other words, maybe in the future think twice before posting and check your words before you hit the post button. so then you will have 10 minutes in case there are some typos...fine. beyond that and you are attempting to change history. You said. live with it.


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    Glad to see my caution about toxic posters has been reiterated here (even though this reiteration involves some rather odd confusion between writing and speaking).

    Overall, I'm currently thinking that having a time limit on post-send editing probably is for the best - given that it may curtail some nefarious gambits of not only the invasive commercial bandits but also the unwholesome toxic few hiding in plain sight among the members.

    But I'm still asking for a substantial increase of that time limit.


  • @Ben said:
    What would be your suggestion?

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • The use of the word “speaking” was intentional. In real life we make conversations by speaking and once it leaves your mouth you cannot edit it.


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    Ben, sorry I don't have a specific suggestion for you. Like I said above, I prefer to leave it to the design authority.


  • You can only edit for 600 seconds after posting?!? WTF?


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  • I am firmly in the 10 minutes is enough to edit a post: if it takes longer than that maybe you need to make another post (or have spent longer on the original post). If this must be changed perhaps allowing editing until there has been a reply made would work.


    Just a beginner
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    rAC, interesting idea - allowing unlimited time until a reply has been made. Even though that still wouldn't altogether curtail sly abuses by the toxic few here, it's probably a good and reasonable compromise.

    I'll reiterate the point I made above. Whilst this forum may of course be used like any of the big 'social media' platforms - in which users often make a virtue of contriving posts with minimal wordage - it is nevertheless fundamentally different here. Our topics can sometimes get technically and artistically very sophisticated. In those cases some lengthier and more complex posts may of course be necessary.

    I'm deeply averse to any IT developments here that tend to make this forum more like X(Twitter), etc. As I see it, this 10 minute rule is one such unwelcome development. Dumbing down the VSL Forum? Whatever next!?


  • One idea I'm liking at present: at the very least let us delete a post that needs editing, such that a new edit can be posted without having to leave the old post behind.

    And even if editing is not our aim, why can't we delete any of our posts without having to ask a moderator to do it for us? What's that all about?