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  • You will only see performce improvements if your CPU is the bottleneck and running at full load during playback.

    It will also depend on the drive. The slower the drive, the larger the noticable performance gain. Also you will notice them more with SATA drives compared to NVMe drives. It also hugely depends on the library and how you use it.

    A preload buffer size of 8192 will load exactly the same amount of data into RAM on a 128GB RAM system as on a 64 GB system.

    If you don't have any performance issues, then measuring/tweaking these settings is a waste of your time/life.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • Thanks Ben. Interesting perspective.

    Aren't many if not most users apt to tweak or 'fettle' their systems now and then, always looking for improvements? I'm certainly one of those.


  • No, most users simply want stuff to work and don't bother with these things at all unless something doesn't work as expected.

    I guess @stephen limbaughalso started to look into it because he ran into a CPU bottleneck, and not because he loves tweaking system and sample player settings just for fun (@stephen limbaugh feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

    I also had looked into this topic years ago when my mid-class CPU could not keep up with my projects (clicks and drop-outs) and I did not had the budget to get a better one, I was able to get 30-40% more performance out of it by tweaking Bios, optimizing Overclocking settings, increasing preload buffer size, moving multi-mic libraries to my fastest SSDs, etc.
    Right now I don't bother as I'm currently not running into issues and optimizing now would get me an increase in performance of exactly 0%.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
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  • @Ben haha... no I definitely couldn't give a damn about computer efficiency, I just want the thing to play back at low buffers 😅.

    I should also note that VSL support has zeroed in on an issue concerning the folder system of my drives. Crashes are happening because the system was scanning for the samples and getting hangs.

    Also, since removing the additional folder on the external drive, the read speeds in the Synchron Player are now measuring 556.2MB/s, an increase from 443.2MB/s.


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    Two kinds of computer system 'fettlers': those who love to fiddle around in very techie areas such as BIOS or the guts of the OS; and those - including me - who can't be arsed to wade into the deadly boring geeky detail (which is why I've always bought Apple), but who nevertheless like to know what it is we're dealing with and what can and can't be done with it.

    These days personal computing is nowhere near as straightforward as it was back in '77 when I first got into microcomputing. But no matter that computer and software companies nowadays are ever more determined to make customers believe they shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about what goes on under the hood, I'll never be the ideal consumer type. Lol.

    "OLD, NOT OBSOLETE" ~ me, imitating a famous Austrian Terminator, describing my ancient iMac. (2017 is really ancient, right?).

    I've pushed my stress-test Synchron orchestra harder, adding a Synchron D-274 track for live use. Now I can use an I/O Buffer Size as small as 32 samples, along with Medium Process Buffer Range, with all Synchron instruments playing back on just 1 audio Mix Channel each, while playing the D-274 live. (I'm not a pianist but that doesn't mean I can't knock out plenty of 2-handed chords at speed.)

    The result:- live piano latency is nice and short, AND with at least the bare bones of full orchestral accompaniment. Of course it's not as full-on as you're now getting with your M3 MBP, Stephen. But what it means for me is that I won't be contributing to Apple's revenue as early as I'd previously thought.

    Here's the evidence (One mix channel switched on in each Synchron player):-

    Strange thing now is - I'm getting less total RAM pressure than previously, even though in both cases I rebooted immediately before taking readings once the whole orchestra had fully completed its preloads. Whatever!

    Also, I've found that I can run all the orchestra players with 4 mix channels switched on and still at I/O Buffer 32, but in this case I need Large Process Buffer Range selected. Curiously, the total CPU load is in this case not far above what it is for the similar (4 audio channels each player) case at I/O Buffer 512.

    P.S.

    I forgot to say what recent major change I believe has helped hugely with my Synchron tasks.

    I now have all of my Synchron and Synchronized libraries in a new external SSD on its own Thunderbolt 3 port. That SSD is a Samsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2/NVMe/PCIe module (up to 7.5GB/s max speed) that I popped into an Acacis TBU405Pro M1 enclosure rated at Thunderbolt speed of 40Gb/sec max bidirectional transfer rate. In practice that means in sequential read and write tests, the Thunderbolt port maxes out at about 2.5 GB/s unidirectional (as normal). That's a downside (compared to internal SSD) only for clean installs and first-time app loading, etc; but certainly not a problem for the usual random reads during operation of the sample libraries. In the latter case, the ultra low latencies of the SSD and its enclosure still apply and provide market-leading speeds for random reads (as shown in an earlier thread).

    Yep, a somewhat expensive addition, and yep, I know the prices will fall. But I was indulging a bit of impatience and enthusiasm after I'd already replaced my Thunderbolt boot SSD with a 980Pro SSD (similar details as above) in an Acasis enclosure (same model as above), and noticed excellent results.