Thank you, Dietz, for this great addition to MIR! You'll save from a lot of mixing mistakes from now on! :)

Paolo

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

@Pixelpoet1985 said:

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

😄 ... You're welcome! 

(... in a first impetus I was tempted to answer "My pleasure!" - but than I realised that I should stay honest. I'm _very_ happy that this highly exhausting task is finally done, really. 8-) ...)

Thanks Vsl, thanks Dietz!

YESSSS finally! I can integrate it all! :D

@Pixelpoet1985 said:

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

😄 ... You're welcome! 

(... in a first impetus I was tempted to answer "My pleasure!" - but than I realised that I should stay honest. I'm _very_ happy that this highly exhausting task is finally done, really. 8-) ...)

I fully understand. I mean I quit my "journey" of creating my own MIRx settings, because I couldn't stand it anymore. I think I have good ears, but the ony day the setting was good, the next day is wasn't, the position wasn't right, the wetness wasn't right ... Oh, my, really happy now! A good christmas gift.

Very well done, Dietz! I only change the center capsule of the primary microphone to a more omni pattern (sounds more of a "decca tree" to me) and reduce the reverb length, it's a bit too long for my taste. That's the good thing about MIR Pro; in the Synchron Player you can't alter the length, just the wetness. And I already disliked this when using MIRx in VI (Pro).

And I have some other questions:

• To what can the MIRx presets be compared? 1) The sound of the instruments as if you would hear them from a typical "decca-tree"-ish setup without further mixing enhancements, or 2) does the wetness and the reverb length of 1.42 already resemble an enhanced/mixed scenario?
• Should "Air Absoption" be disabled when using your settings? Does it do any harm to your settings? I think you work with this feature disabled.
• "Distance Scaling" and "Microphone Offset" both have to be enabled, right?
• The SYNCHRON-ized instruments in the Synchron Player use a combination of the MIR IRs and a longer algo reverb. How can one achieve this with the MIRx settings? By reducing the overall dry/wet ratio as well as the reverb length? The SYNCHRON-ized instruments have 30% wetness in the "classic" preset and 20% wetness in the "close" preset. What does this mean? 30% in the Synchron Player means what in MIR Pro?

And a technical question for MIR Pro:

• Is there a way to deactivate all of the MIRx character EQs with one click? It's very tedious to revert all instruments back to the "pure" setting. Maybe I missed something. The other way round it's very easy, because you can select several instruments at once, select what should be changed (position, EQ etc.) and with one click the MIRx settings are apllied to all selected instruments.

@Pixelpoet1985 said:

And a technical question for MIR Pro:

• Is there a way to deactivate all of the MIRx character EQs with one click? It's very tedious to revert all instruments back to the "pure" setting. Maybe I missed something. The other way round it's very easy, because you can select several instruments at once, select what should be changed (position, EQ etc.) and with one click the MIRx settings are apllied to all selected instruments.

You're right, the "Auto Group" / "Alt-Click-Group" feature doesn't apply to Character selection. This makes sense in the bigger scheme of things (Characters aren't the same for all instruments), but I understand the need for a global reset. Will put it on the list of feature wishes ...

@Another User said:

• The SYNCHRON-ized instruments have 30% wetness in the "classic" preset and 20% wetness in the "close" preset. What does this mean? 30% in the Synchron Player means what in MIR Pro?

This is something I can't tell you without asking VSL software developers. I didn't implement my settings into SP.

Thanks for answering, Dietz! 

I first saw this in some marketing in my email, followed up and here I found the full statement:

"The new and FREE MIR Pro update patch of RoomPack 6 – Synchron Stage Vienna adds masterfully crafted MIRx presets to all instruments,"

It does not, not through itself. There is something missing here (even if it's my understanding is incorrect, eg., 'to all instruments' means something I am not grasping); I'm supposing this is predicated upon having a license for something MIRx bundle (which does not have any Synchron Stage), as the error is "check that your MIRx licenses are available on your key (venue data/Directory Manager)".

But as stated on the Products/Software/MIR Pro page, pasted above, it makes no sense to me.

I have licenses for RoomPacks 5 & 6. It doesn't make sense for me to acquire the rooms in the MIRx bundle. It would be nice to have Synchron in VI Pro rather than use up one of my 24 slots. Maybe this means only MIR Pro full, but some information is omitted from this assertion.

You don't have to buy any MIRx Venues if you want to use MIR Pro - just download the update for MIR Pro from your "MyVSL" user-area, and you'll see the new presets in the MIRx-Mode panel. This is true for MIR Pro as well as MIR 24.

MIRx (opposed to the aforementioned "MIRx Mode") is an product by itself, it relies on different data and different licenses. 

... see this older thread for a comparison of the two: -> https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/m224364-MIR-PRO-v-s--MIR-X#post224364

HTH,

I'm using MIR Pro 24. I have never used MIRx, I took out one demo and there was some problem with the license on the key; I wasn't all that likely to buy that/those venues and buy MIR Pro so I just moved on. I was never very buzzed with the limitations of a fixed spot on stage I have no say in (except say for expected strings placement), or the other limitations.

So you're saying there is MIRx-Mode in MIR Pro; so I guess it *is* that my understanding of 'adds to all instruments' is not what is meant. I'm not seeing any use for that 'mode', having the RoomPack 6, Synchron. The upshot of this for me then is there is no Synchron Stage MIRx for VI Pro. I guess this free addition in the update is not relevant to me. Thanks for the prompt reply, appreciated.

I would be pretty inclined to buy Synchron as a venue in MIR-x itself though.

@civilization 3 said:

[...] I'm not seeing any use for that 'mode', having the RoomPack 6, Synchron. [...]

Hmmmmm ... I can't see any use for MIRx-Mode _without_ having the respective RoomPack, because it won't load the corresponding settings without the appropriate license (which you already have, judging from your message). 

... but don't feel obliged to use them! 😊

Have a great 2021 nonetheless,

Well yeah, I just meant it seemed redundant at first glance, but as I read more in the thread I think it's just my understanding is poor. It appears you have 'character presets' for instruments in an update, so if they're unique vs the extant ones in MIR it isn't redundant.

I wasn't aware of MIRx _mode_ in MIR. But if it's there I'll just check it out. :)

@civilization 3 said:

I wasn't aware of MIRx _mode_ in MIR. But if it's there I'll just check it out. 😊

-> https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/mir-pro/mirx-mode

... this should get you started. 😉

Happy New Year!

Yeah, time to RTFM isn't it 😳

I just looked at that, actually. I see. Yeah, your Pernegg Monastery preset for example is dramatically different than what I'm doing. 

HNY to you too! thanks again

Dietz, I have some more questions/remarks on/for the MIRx settings:

• Some lower instruments (e.g. dimension horns, dimension cellos) sound a bit boomy. I understand that's because of the close miking at the Silent Stage. Was there already some EQ applied to the dry samples to overcome the proximity effect? Would a high-pass filter in the MIR Pro Room EQ be a good option or are there better options? I think you already made the best you can do with the Room EQ, but it's still boomy.*
• For my taste the Appassionata strings are too wet, they are around 40, and more than Orchestral or Dimension Strings which are at approx. 30. Shouldn't they be drier? Maybe there is a mistake?
• When activating MIRx, some instruments (e.g. trumpet, flute) are switched to solo position by default. No problem, but couldn't this be changed? Also some positions are not clearly named/assigned, e.g. there is Flute 1 and Flute 3 (1B). Where is Flute 2?
• Some character EQs are "messed up". In general, the MIRx character EQs are at the bottom of the character EQ drop-down list. Now we have some at the top of the list (e.g. Dimension Violins). Again, not a problem, but maybe it's a bug.

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* I read about the Abbey Road Reverb Trick where you high-pass at 600 and low-pass at 10000. Would this make sense in the Room EQ in general for all instruments, or is this trick only helpful with reverb tails? I think that the wet part in MIR Pro is ER + tail, isn't it? 

@Another User said:

Also some positions are not clearly named/assigned, e.g. there is Flute 1 and Flute 3 (1B). Where is Flute 2?

The Instrument Profile "Flute 2" is for Vienna Instrument's second flute. "Flute 3 (1B)" is a virtual double of Flute 1 (thus the label "1B"). I know, all those instruments can get a bit confusing. 😉

All the best,