Has someone already said 'Yay!"? Ok, I’ll do it for you!

Bravo Dietz!

Paolo

Dietz, you are awesome 😊 - thanks so much!

Thanks so much dietz, im SOO excited! :)

(Currently working on a big show due in 2 days, kinda got lost and forgot, sorry haha)

Greets,

My hint: the Synchron MIR/x presets will not come alone. They will come with an upgrade to the MIR technology, allowing for multi-mic simulation going beyond the current two sets. Making MIR more aligned with the Synchron set of audio channels.

Paolo

:-D .... sounds like a great idea, Paolo, but that's not how MIR works. Sorry to rain on your parade ... 

@Dietz said:

😄 .... sounds like a great idea, Paolo, but that's not how MIR works.

Hi Dietz, I had this suspect because you already added a second mic set, that I think is derived from one of the various positions from where you sampled the room. But maybe the process is a different one.

In case it is a different sampling position, some of the rooms have more than two, so I wonder if they can be used as simulated channels. Or maybe there are phase issues.

A test I couldn't yet do is to first render the direct signal, the closest room mics, and a more distant mic set (simulating a Mid position). Then, a second pass would exclude the direct signal, and include two sets of mics positioned far from the source (to simulate a panoramic stereo pair and the surround pair).

Probably, it will only end into some sort of sonic molasses 😊

Paolo

Dear Paolo, the main issue is: The whole concept of MIR relies on Ambisonics. It gives us the possibility to define many acoustic parameters after the actual recording took place, and - equally important! - we can interpolate seamlessly between discrete source positions.

An Ambisonics recording is typically based on a so-called "coincident" multi-microphone array. We used indeed up to four of these arrays to capture the Venues represented by MIR - which is why we can add the Secondary Microphone, but that's for the wet signal component only: The goal is to increase the perceived spatial enveloping without sacrificing any of the positioning cues of the Main Mic. And yes, it's a great source for decorrelated rear mics in a surround mix, too!

The typical Synchron recordings use a completely different approach, based on wide-spaced single microphone capsules. They are referred to as "Decca tree", supported by Omni-outriggers and AURO top-layer mics. In short: A very different approach than a coincident recording. ... there have been lengthy discussions amongst Tonmeisters during the last 70 years (or so) which approach is "better", so I won't go into the details here. ;-) 

Although I went to any length in my quest to match the sound of the Synchron Instruments' setup for VSL's "Synchronized" Vienna Instruments and now for MIR/MIRx, it has to be said quite clearly that there won't (and can't) be a MIR engine as we know it that will be able to fully recreate a spaced microphone setup as described above.

Thank you Dietz. Ouch, so it's all still in the same "stream", even if they appear as separate sets.

I'm perfectly fine with the "EMI" mic style, and I think that it blends reasonably well with the "Decca" style of the Synchron series.

Paolo

The image itself is a great help. I would have frankly never imagined that it was a good idea to move strings so near to the mics. But it works great. Examples from the masters are always a great guidance.

Paolo

I have been doing that for many years.  The biggest thing is to let your ears tell you it's ok, not how it looks on the stage.  I have done some of the stupid shit you can imagine with this tool.  People would probably laugh and say I am an idiot but oh well!  As long as they don't see how it looks, and it sounds great I really gave up caring how it looked on the stage years ago!

I know, I know. Any news for the MIRx download? Would be a nice Christmas gift. :)

We hear you! ;-)

@Dietz said:

We hear you! 😉

Thank you so much! i didn't realize initially what the update was about, so as usual I just come to the forum and find the answer 😉

But adding a change-log update will also help other users to get the point, I guess. 😉

And now I will have fun experimenting and comparing my set-ups to yours (usually always very good, so I'm really excited by this time saving and quality improving feature, that was my best source for learning as well).

Thank you, Dietz, for this great addition to MIR! You'll save from a lot of mixing mistakes from now on! :)

Paolo

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

@Pixelpoet1985 said:

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

😄 ... You're welcome! 

(... in a first impetus I was tempted to answer "My pleasure!" - but than I realised that I should stay honest. I'm _very_ happy that this highly exhausting task is finally done, really. 8-) ...)

Thanks Vsl, thanks Dietz!

YESSSS finally! I can integrate it all! :D