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  • Dorico 3 and VSL

    Hello!

    As Dorico 3 is out today (https://new.steinberg.net/dorico/new-in-3/https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/dorico-3-changes-the-score/), and as it is integrating an Expression Map editor, I was wondering if there are any plan to make VSL be compatible with it?

    Best regards,

    Gil.


  • I hope for VSL Expression Maps for Dorico 3! Are all of your missing playback features are added now?

    Yours,
    Heiko


  • Also it includes mutually exclusive playing techniques, which I think was one of the drawbacks.


  • Hello!

    Most of our wishes for the Dorico Expression Maps technology are fulfilled with Dorico 3. Our to do list at the moment is pretty long though. So please don't expect Dorico Expression Maps for our libraries in the next weeks.

    Best regards,
    Andi


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    Hi Andy,

    thanks for letting us know. Even if it takes time, I know they will be worth waiting for. The sound engine in Dorico is so crystal clear, I know vsl will sound great. It will be also like using a sequencer as we will have access to controllers that can be manipulated via the mouse - well, I hope that will be the case, as apparently you can do this with Dorico 2.

    All the best with the work you'll pursue on this Andy. I know you'll do a great job!

     

    Steve😃


  • I switched to Dorico several years ago and had to abandon using VSL - so I'm adding my voice to those who have requested VSL - Dorico integration.  I know this cannot be turned around on a dime (that's an American expression) but I hope to see this soon.  Thanks!


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    The same for me, it would be wonderful!

    By the way, Andi, you are doing a fantastic job with Sibelius' soundsets, I am very grateful for that 👍


  • Count me among those interested. Even only a first release containing the SE Vol.1/+ would be excellent to start working with Dorico.

    Paolo


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    +1 😊


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    +1 😊


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  • Hi, 

    As we are swamped with work right now: Who is up for contributing to the community?

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • I have propose  before but you refused

    I have 3 weeks free where I can help, what do I gain ?


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  • Hi Cyril, 

    You could start with Expression Maps for Special Editon Volume 1 and see how that works (you have the VI Special Edition Volume 1 registered
    Your gain is the grattitude of your fellow Dorio users. 

    A few words why this is not such a trivial task:
    AFAIK, Dorico only covers around 50% of the articulations available with our bigger library products, so you will have to create new articulations in Dorico and assign them to the corresponding articulations in our libraries. 

    Consistency and accuracy is key in such an undertaking.

    The next challenge is that a dedicated Installer (like for Sibelius) has to be created, that places the correct files in the correct locations (manual installation is very tricky, unfortunately). 

    We don't have ANY resources to support this process right now, so my suggestion would be to start small and work your way up from Special Editon Volume 1 (which doesn't need many additional articulations added). 

    The alternative is to wait until Andreas has the time to provide you with the high standard flawless expression maps you are used to. 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Paul, while editing the Expression Maps you supplied for the High Strings, I can see that some articulations are duplicated. I don't see any difference in the two Legato entries just at the beginning of the list.

    Is there a reason for these duplicated entries? Can we remove them, ignore them, or should we leave there for some particular reason?

    Paolo


  • Hi PaoloT, 

    Notation is an area where I am not involved. 

    Would you like to be a bit more specific? What exactly doesn't work?

    Thanks, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Hi Paul,

    I'm not sure it is something that is not working. But I would like to understand why it is that way.

    In Dorico, I import, for example, the "VSL Strings - Violins, Violas, Celli.expressionmap" file for Cubase.

    In the list of techniques, I can see a first "Legato", linked to a C1 keyswitch, and another Legato, linked to the D#1 keyswitch.

    The same happens with "Legato+Non Vibrato", "Con vibrato+Legato" and other articulations.

    I can't understand the reason why there are multiple occurrencies of some articulations. If they have to be there, what's the particular use of each of them?

    Paolo


  • Hello Paolo!

    The Cubase Expression Map "VSL Strings - Violins, Violas, Celli" contains legato and "non legato" in various combinations with other articulations. Every combination is included one time only. The map isn't 100% compatible with Dorico though.

    Best regards,
    Andi


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  • Andi, thank you for your answer. Maybe when importing Cubase maps, Dorico mixes some "standard" techniques with the imported ones. Hence the duplication of some of them.

    Paolo


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    Actually Andi, the comment that the Cubase VSL Strings is not 100% compatible with Dorico seems rather flattering 😊. I have found the compatibility to be nearer zero but I'm just trying out Dorico 3 and am maybe doing something wrong. If there is a way to get even 90% compatibility, then please let me know how best to set up a simple string quartet using the solo strings in Dorico using that Expression Map. If it's really not worth the effort (far too complicated to do manually) then any updates on progress towards a native Dorico version would be most welcomed.

    Incidentally, the SE Expression map does seem to work quite well with the SE solo strings but of course having bought the full Solo Strings package, I want to use it!

    David


  • Hello David!

    So far there are no dedicated Dorico Expression Maps for our libraries.

    Best regards,
    Andi


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