@fatis12_24918 said:

Anyway, for the information of others, it’s enough to read the VSL MIR Pro manual: please go to page 20, point 4, line 2, and learn from the words of VSL what a “virtual microphone” is.

Please read a bit more carefully This sentence is about the "meta format called Ambisonics" in which the Impuls responses for MIR have been recorded based on which the Output for the MIR Main output is calculated. But this does not change tha fact, that the Main Output of MIR is nothing but the Main Output givining you the whole simulated ambiance.. Beside the factg, that MIR does simulate the Synchron Venue and this is Part of the synchronized Liobnraries I dont see any direct relation, to the fact that a synchronized Library offers only one Recording from this Main Output in opposite to a couple of different mixable real "Microphone positions"

(And please try just to stay with the arguments we are talking about in this thread. No one is really interested here what ever you think about my person or niot.)

It's dangerous to join a heated (and quite unfriendly, one could say) debate like the one at hand _this_ late, but nevertheless .... :

@Another User said:

However what we currently are able to mix in MIR is nothing more than the Dry + wet ratio.

That's definitely not the case (unless the statement is just misworded). 

Kind regards,

@Another User said:

However what we currently are able to mix in MIR is nothing more than the Dry + wet ratio.

That's definitely not the case (unless the statement is just misworded). 

As I already pointed out, you simply missed to carefully understand my point before stating what ever is the case or not.

Mir does defenitly not offer the possibility to simulate a couple of different virtual microphonepositions that could be mixed in any similar way to the microphonepositions of the synchron series but calculate the result for one main output. That was the reason why I just asked Fatis, what he meant with the term "virtual microphone" talking about the Synchronized Product including the simulated Synchron ambiance while VSL as far as I know does not make use of any term like that to characterize the synchronized Products.

Like you I also regrett very much that Fatis entered so much misleading and completly unnecessary personal aggression instead of just frankly answering my simple and pretty polite question.

Since I see that after all even you seem to have some problems to figure out what exactly was the question. I hope I was able to shed some light on this strange discussion.

Hello fahl5, 

Please read carefully: I am really really getting tired of this conversation style. 

It's totally ok to have your point. Let others have their point. And stay friendly. 

Best, 
Paul

@fahl5 said:

[...] And as you confirmed yourself, the producrt does not offer the ability for the user to simulate and mix different virtual Microphonepositions, but calculate the reflections of a source at a certain position for one Stereo MainOutput which position could also be simulated based on that ambisonic format.

Well - then I don't understand the "product" I invented and designed myself, obviously. Sorry for joining the discussion in your thread.

@Paul said:

Hello fahl5, 

Please read carefully: I am really really getting tired of this conversation style. 

It's totally ok to have your point. Let others have their point. And stay friendly. 

Best, 
Paul

Why exactly did you ask me?

Just show me any "unfriendly" word in any of my postings. If not better talk to those who more often loose the track of the subject with getting personal unpolite.

@fahl5 said:

[...] And as you confirmed yourself, the producrt does not offer the ability for the user to simulate and mix different virtual Microphonepositions, but calculate the reflections of a source at a certain position for one Stereo MainOutput which position could also be simulated based on that ambisonic format.

Well - then I don't understand the "product" I invented and designed myself, obviously. Sorry for joining the discussion in your thread.

No one pretends anything like that and if you have read more careful you should know that. however you confirmed yourself, that currently neither any synchronized Library nor even MIR as it is sold  "offer the ability for the user to simulate and mix different virtual Microphonepositions simultaneously," in any comparable way to mix the real microphonepositions of the Synchron series.

Is that polemic subtone realy necessary what exactly makes you refuse any attempt to just understand what the discussion is realy about: the Synchronized Appasionata Strings and the benefit for the User of the use of the term "virtual microphone" to describe exactly that cxertain product. It would have been enough to take a look of the title of this thread to ask your self if you realy fully respected the relation to the Synchropnized Appasionata Strings of this discussion in your answer.

I still hope at least you VSL-guys will finally consent that we better discuss refered to concrete arguments based on the attempt to understand what the other is talking about to keep the discussion friendly, polite and not personal but subject based.

@Another User said:

I still hope at least you VSL-guys will finally consent that we better discuss refered to concrete arguments based on the attempt to understand what the other is talking about to keep the discussion friendly, polite and not personal but subject based.

In the end, this is a user-driven forum. It's up to you and your fellow forum members what it looks like.

@Another User said:

I admit that I don't have the time to read through all the ebb and flow of these threads, so I just can answer, "Yes, I didn't read carefully". I just wanted to pin down some technical basics for the occasional reader who might mistake what has been asked and written before. 

I thought iot would be like this. No problem, we are all humans 😉

@Dietz said:

It's dangerous to join a heated (and quite unfriendly, one could say) debate like the one at hand _this_ late, but nevertheless .... :

Hi Dietz, for some of us (I do for sure) it's a pleasure and a privilege to have the chance to talk and question aswered directly by you occasionally.

To definitely end this debate (for every person with a minimum of common sense) could you tell us if the "customized impulse responses" that we find in the Synchronized products are generated with the "MIR technology" ?
Many thanks!

@FabioA said:

[...] could you tell us if the "customized impulse responses" that we find in the Synchronized products are generated with the "MIR technology" ?

Yes, they are. We are indeed discussing solutions for matching the sounds of the two "worlds" even better, but for now the "Synchronized" IRs are plain and simple some carefully sculpted and balanced MIR exports, plus hand-crafted EQ settings.

@FabioA said:

To definitely end this debate (for every person with a minimum of common sense) could you tell us if the "customized impulse responses" that we find in the Synchronized products are generated with the "MIR technology" ?
Many thanks!

If this would end the debate for you: I personally expect, that it is exactly as you indicated 😉 while Dietz is indeed the best who can answer this question.

fahl5 - youare the single most arrogant person this Forum has ever had.  That is quite an accomplishment.

Where do you get off telling Dietz to read more carefully about SOFTWARE HE INVENTED???  Dietz is one of the most brilliant and talented people. And this is after you've insulted Guy Bacos, every single expert here with your relentless self-centered garbage.  

Do everyone on this Forum and everyone at VSL a big favor:  SHUT UP. 

Sorry VSL - I won't write anymore but this is the worst, most toxic junk I have yet read here and VSL and people writing in here should not have to put up with it.  

@William said:

fahl5 - youare the single most arrogant person this Forum has ever had.  That is quite an accomplishment.

Where do you get off telling Dietz to read more carefully about SOFTWARE HE INVENTED???  Dietz is one of the most brilliant and talented people. And this is after you've insulted Guy Bacos, every single expert here with your relentless self-centered garbage.  

Do everyone on this Forum and everyone at VSL a big favor:  SHUT UP. 

Sorry VSL - I won't write anymore but this is the worst, most toxic junk I have yet read here and VSL and people writing in here should not have to put up with it.  

This thread is now closed.