Thank you @fahl5. Is it Synchron Strings only?

I am with @veola for the sound, but I have to say that, for me, it's the best legato demo I heard so far, but it doesn't come close to what I (and probably others) meant. I could hear all of the different legatos combined (also slur), but it's a lot of programming efforts involved, right? 

I would like to hear some John Williams cues, e. g. Marion's Theme from Indiana Jones, or Leia's Theme from Star Wars. 

I tried (I'm a just a beginner!), but for me it would have been nice to have a legato with some good playability out of the box without switching between different legato types. I also have LASS, maybe I'm spoiled, for me it's the most playable and convincing library, even after all these years. Others might want a comparable sound like Hollywood Strings or Cinematic Studio Strings. I mean, these are also wet libraries (not LASS), and they all do manage to have hearable (to some extent exaggerated, pronounced) legato transitions. I like the old dry VSL libraries where you can hear the transitions way better. Synchron Strings doesn't deliver, in my opinion. And for me the huge amount of velocity layers make no sense, there is not a really timbre change. With LASS you have a huge dynamic range where you can feel ppp and fff and definitely hear the differences. I also wished for a more expressivo vibrato in Synchron Strings. And, of course, I'm missing some innovation. The competition releases new scripting etc. (e. g. LASS with auto-divisi). Synchron Strings is just a wet library with a small list of articulations, but has no innovations (e. g. compared to Dimension Strings).

But again, thanks for your effort. Great! :)

@Another User said:

But again, thanks for your effort. Great! 😊

No special"effort" at all, It was just a passage in my current project which seem to me kind of an answer for those who complain, that the Samplelibrary does not yet do the John Williams Job for them.

And to be clear I am not at all trying to imitate John Williams. If I would do so I would presumably spent more effort in EQ-ing to get the "fat" sound, you are obviously looking for. But I am simply not at all interested in that Idiom. So all I can share are expressive Legatos which are really composed as expressive Legatos.

Edward Elgar at least knew how to compose that without having any Samplelibrary at his hand (his Piano at home definitly havent had any "transitions", nor "Scripts" at all and while he composed at plain air as he liked so m,uch to do. he scarcly has had any instrument at all, at his hand and nevertheless was able to compose such experssive singing passages.

In short if you know exactly what you want, this is the most important aspect for what will sound like what you do.

 

Of course not at all!

(...sometime I'm wondering if you ever listen to real recordings...)

@fahl5 said:

Ok you obviously and definitly must be a "beginner". but please keep that in mind next time before judging like that.

Ah, the expected cheap shot. FWIW @Pixelpoet1985, I agree with most your assessments. Trust your ears, not the presumptuous ramblings of out of touch individuals.

@fahl5 said:

Ok you obviously and definitly must be a "beginner". but please keep that in mind next time before judging like that.

Ah, the expected cheap shot. FWIW @Pixelpoet1985, I agree with most your assessments. Trust your ears, not the presumptuous ramblings of out of touch individuals.

No "cheap shot" at all. Just repeating, what pixelpoewt already said about himself. and yes stating the Synchron-Player would show "no innovation" does not prove very much expierience and knowledge concerning the world of available sampleplayers so it just proves what Pixelpoet has already said about him self.

OK Hellfire again as we know him: pretty curious that someone of whom scarcly anyone knows any notable example of being in any way "in touch" with any real world expirience of productive work with any samplelibrary is "presumptous" enough to judge those who did that defenitly "a bit" more over the last decade as being "out of touch" funny, but nothing what really matters for any one here. 

@fatis12_24918 said:

 

Of course not at all!

(...sometime I'm wondering if you ever listen to real recordings...)

It is so easy tro say "no". but what really does that matter? Writing down what others do does not necessarily help anyone to do any better. Neither yourself, nor anyone else.

Show me the same 40 seconds made any better with any other Library. and soon we will argue on the same level.

Thats just fair.

(sometimes I am wondering if anyone has ever been able to realise anything of what he pretends to be able to demand here.  And perhaps this could even be better for all of us here 😛)

@fahl5 said:

No "cheap shot" at all. Just repeating, what pixelpoewt already said about himself. and yes stating the Synchron-Player would show "no innovation" does not prove very much expierience and knowledge concerning the world of available sampleplayers so it just proves what Pixelpoet has already said about him self.

OK Heelfire again as we know him: pretty curious that someone of whom scarcly anone knows any notable example of being in any way "in touch" with any real world expirience of productive work with any samplelibrary is "presumptous" enough to judge those who did that defenitly "a bit" more over the last decade as being "out of touch" funny, but nothing what really matters for any one here. 

You constantly produly flaunt works that invoke chalk-on-the-blackboard type associations while lecturing and belittling everyone else as if you discovered the proverbial philosopher's stone. It's comedic and sad at the same time.

@JimmyHellfire said:

You constantly produly....

as you said it's comedic

(but I fear simply completly offtopic, personal polemic or even aggressive without any substantial constructive contribution to the discussion here and in short: all what we would expect from those who cant any better than posting things like that. "chacun a son gout" )

Well that's the thing fahl5. You only deem things as "constructive" as long as they fit into your preferred narrative. But I'm not posting here solely to offend you, but to make you aware that in fact it might be yourself that lacks understanding - which you're constantly accusing others of.

There hasn't been a single critical voice regarding the library that you didn't immediately meet with fervent opposition, telling people that they don't know how to use sample libraries, don't know what they're actually looking for, or are just plain too lazy to have a valid opinion.

What I'm telling you is that especially by presenting your own attempts, it becomes obvious that it's in fact you who doesn't have a full grasp of what is possible, what users expect or are what they're able to do with products they've come to appreciate. Apparently, when it comes to certain aspects, you are also perhaps simply not able to tell the difference sonically.

In simpler words: you're constantly telling people that they don't know what they're talking about - while obviously not really knowing what you're talking about. Which is why you're getting some unnerved reactions. That's my constructive feedback to you.

@JimmyHellfire said:

Well that's the thing fahl5. You only deem things as "constructive" as long as they fit into your preferred narrative. But I'm not posting here solely to offend you, but to make you aware that in fact it might be yourself that lacks understanding - which you're constantly accusing others of.

There hasn't been a single critical voice regarding the library that you didn't immediately meet with fervent opposition, telling people that they don't know how to use sample libraries, don't know what they're actually looking for, or are just plain too lazy to have a valid opinion.

What I'm telling you is that especially by presenting your own attempts, it becomes obvious that it's in fact you who doesn't have a full grasp of what is possible, what users expect or are what they're able to do with products they've come to appreciate. Apparently, when it comes to certain aspects, you are also perhaps simply not able to tell the difference sonically.

In simpler words: you're constantly telling people that they don't know what they're talking about - while obviously not really knowing what you're talking about. Which is why you're getting some unnerved reactions. That's my constructive feedback to you.

"constructive" ???????? you are still trying to be comedic, arent you ?

• not the faintest relation to the topic of this thread,
• not the faintest concrete argument to what ever could be reasonably discussed in a Forum about samplelibraries,
• not the faintest concrete musical example of what you are talking,about
• just one personal insult after the other.

And you wonder why you are constantly asked to become more concrete, subject relaterd constructive?

(And we all know, that I am by far not the only one who asks you frequently to contribute more substancial than you did for example here again)

However: if this is all you are able to, than this is all you can. Your Problem.

Just to answer what you complain here about me. I just show with concrete musical examples what I do - without pretending anything else, than that I enjoy the Library. And ask those who pretend that there would be anything better just to do the same as I did and provide any concrete examples for what think would be better..

Without that no one here knows at all what ever anyone is talking about. If you feel sick in any way, you dont go to the doctor and just insult him (as enough people here complain about the VSL and their new Library), but you will try show exactly what you are talking about searching for what might be a better solution to solve the problem.

If you think anything could or should be done better, just do it better and show it so everybody knows what you are talking about and can judge for himself if he will share your "opinion" or not. As everybody can judge for himself what I am doing. but no one can judge himself what simple "opinions" "meanings" or "statements" exactly are about. And sorry just because someone is not able tho show concrete the alledged "better" on which he pretends to found his judgement gives him not the right neither to judge for others nor to insult others.

@JimmyHellfire said:

Well that's the thing fahl5. You only deem things as "constructive" as long as they fit into your preferred narrative. But I'm not posting here solely to offend you, but to make you aware that in fact it might be yourself that lacks understanding - which you're constantly accusing others of.

There hasn't been a single critical voice regarding the library that you didn't immediately meet with fervent opposition, telling people that they don't know how to use sample libraries, don't know what they're actually looking for, or are just plain too lazy to have a valid opinion.

What I'm telling you is that especially by presenting your own attempts, it becomes obvious that it's in fact you who doesn't have a full grasp of what is possible, what users expect or are what they're able to do with products they've come to appreciate. Apparently, when it comes to certain aspects, you are also perhaps simply not able to tell the difference sonically.

In simpler words: you're constantly telling people that they don't know what they're talking about - while obviously not really knowing what you're talking about. Which is why you're getting some unnerved reactions. That's my constructive feedback to you.

+1 ( and to be very honest I was intially curious to see how far it can go... kind of sociological interest, but now starts to be boring).

@JimmyHellfire said:

Well that's the thing fahl5. You only deem things as "constructive" as long as they fit into your preferred narrative. But I'm not posting here solely to offend you, but to make you aware that in fact it might be yourself that lacks understanding - which you're constantly accusing others of. There hasn't been a single critical voice regarding the library that you didn't immediately meet with fervent opposition, telling people that they don't know how to use sample libraries, don't know what they're actually looking for, or are just plain too lazy to have a valid opinion. What I'm telling you is that especially by presenting your own attempts, it becomes obvious that it's in fact you who doesn't have a full grasp of what is possible, what users expect or are what they're able to do with products they've come to appreciate. Apparently, when it comes to certain aspects, you are also perhaps simply not able to tell the difference sonically. In simpler words: you're constantly telling people that they don't know what they're talking about - while obviously not really knowing what you're talking about. Which is why you're getting some unnerved reactions. That's my constructive feedback to you.

Cheers to you for this. I fear that your words will not get through to him, though, but as someone that has repeatedly being subject to his "non-personal, subject-based" criticisms, it feels good to know I'm not alone in seeing this individual for how he truly is.

@Acclarion said:

....as someone that has repeatedly being subject to his "non-personal, subject-based" criticisms, it feels good to know I'm not alone in seeing this individual for how he truly is.

Poor Acclarion how much must you have suffered from being asked to argue subject based  😢

I am so glad you finally found others who have likewise been victims of the absolutly "presumptuous" and most cruel question to argue "subject-based" and who therefore at least "truly" understand you. in the very special way you are 🎉

From: http://www.pianosociety.com/threads/steffen-fahl.2469/ Just in case somebody wonders where the "sample" postings of our recent member Steffen Fahl (fahl5) have gone: Herr Fahl has decided to leave PS. He made it abundantly clear, in quite unequivocal terms, that he did not agree with our policy, and stated he was embarrassed to be seen on this horrible site, ran by hypocrite and stupid people who do not know the basics of music. I have not bothered to reply, but merely granted his wish to be removed immeditately (can't resist adding that it was my pleasure :p ) For those interested in his productions, they can be found on this site http://www.soundsonline.com/EastWest-Qu ... W-171.html where you will also meet our old friend Joe Felice and other like-minded people.

@Acclarion said:

From: http://www.pianosociety.com/threads/steffen-fahl.2469/ Just in case somebody wonders where the "sample" postings of our recent member Steffen Fahl (fahl5) have gone: Herr Fahl has decided to leave PS. He made it abundantly clear, in quite unequivocal terms, that he did not agree with our policy, and stated he was embarrassed to be seen on this horrible site, ran by hypocrite and stupid people who do not know the basics of music. I have not bothered to reply, but merely granted his wish to be removed immeditately (can't resist adding that it was my pleasure 😛 ) For those interested in his productions, they can be found on this site http://www.soundsonline.com/EastWest-Qu ... W-171.html where you will also meet our old friend Joe Felice and other like-minded people.

Oh what an incredible sign you found, that you need not search any furtther than 10 years to find at least one guy in the whole internet who like you suffered from being asked to argue "subject-based" Be sure you are not allone

this is an incredible sign! You shopuld likewise search all internet for questions like that in 1998, 1988, 1978, 1968 and so on.... perhaps you might even find another victim who knows?

It must be defenitly kind of repetetive figure: obviously every 10 years a monster named fahl5. asks poor and compledtly helpless forum members the absolutly presumptously question to argue "subject based". 

And even worser this posting proves infailable with the link to the Easwest-Site, that I was already at that time so "out of touch" that I already 2008 have produced a bunch of Demos for Eastwest-Products (among them also some larger Orchestral demos still on their Website). So this posting finaly just proves everything you ever feared.