@weslldeckers said:

In this same forum department, a few post down, is the thread "Opinions on this demo for short film "The Bet"", in which I ask for opinions on a demo. Feel free to take a look.

Yes - I took a look - the squiggly-piggly noise I like.
I like the squiggly-piggly noise.
Ive got nothing against the squiggly-piggly noise.
Unfortunately, neither have you. [[;)]]


Anyway Michael, I just listened to the other remixed versions from the album and gotta say you were spot on about the Avalon. Really very good sounding to me and they should do well in commercial terms too. I will wait for 007 to get finished and then I'll see you straight after. Keep a copy for me to check out when I get there.

"Squiggly piggly noise...." Sorry,I'm out of my depth here. I'll check out the music later Wesll...

Thanks,Paul,but bear in mind that you're only hearing mp3's,so you don't get the benefit of all that top end of the original.It really is indispensible to me now.

"Too much Noel Coward" - Strawinsky

There is no such thing.

"Sounds probably stupid for someone working in the visual field: but I do not always get images when hearing music... Feelings yes." - weslldeckers

That is not stupid! That is the single most important thing IN LIFE!!!!

(My profuse apologies to all modernists on this Forum. It was just a slip - I don't know how it happened. Feelings mean nothing. I know. I live in this time. [:'(] )

As I said,sometime in the depths of the last century:"Music has the power to express nothing" [[;)]]

Well, to add one more point to the statistics: I never see any images while listening to music. I might remember some visuals I once saw which are connected to the music (a concert hall or a film scene) but music never generates any pictures. I´m thankful for that. I want to hear music, not watch something.

Anyway, nice track. Maybe a bit too much derivation from Stravinsky.

Thanks for the acknowledgement,Mathis.I personally don't feel it's too derivative of Strawinskie,given its context ,and the fact that at least half of it owes more to Holst detracts from that even further,I feel.Actually,there are composers of (currently [[;)]] )far higher profile than myself who have been blatent in their plagiarism of I.S,so I guess I'm in good company.I cited Henze's Undine earlier in this thread which,to my ears, is tantamount to theft (Symphony In Three Movements).Also,John Adams springs readily to mind in his lifting of the Symphony In Three Movements (there's that work again):just listen to the Chairman Mao Dances (to name but one instance of unsubtle "borrowing") to appreciate this.I'm more of a Steve Reich man myself;much more.This is a symphonic vernacular,being exploited in the production music field,which has become a filmic device or slang that the "public" recognise,but have no requirement to analyse.In,say,Henze's case:he really should know better.

It's,though:I haven't a single original thought in my head [:'(]

Anyway,I'll take it as a kind of compliment,thanks.BTW:your trilogy of very interesting pieces:can you explain the meaning of the slightly baffling and protracted section in the waltz,viz:the sirens? I'm intrigued.

weslldeckers:heard the music.Here's the context thing again...I didn't like the S/H synth sound,but in context I expect its function to be revealed and appropriate.The music,other than that,was fine indeed,though I didn't think the production was too good.Sorry to be negative on that score,since I always wrestle against that aspect of getting my pieces finished.

Don´t worry about the derivation, I didn´t mean it so negative. Listen to Edgar Varèse, amazing composer but in his orchestral pieces he seems to recompose the Rite all the time in his own way. Nothing wrong about that. I mean this piece had and still has an amazing impact, one cannot simply ignore that. It´s one of the pieces which simply change your way of composing, you cannot continue like you did before.

@Another User said:

can you explain the meaning of the slightly baffling and protracted section in the waltz,viz:the sirens?

You know, I´m bored terribly quick. So I made this little Waltz and I just needed some contrast. And when I´m thinking of contrast I want the utmost contrast possible. Afterwards I feel relieved and I can go back to what I did before. Simple as that. And I just love sirenes.

No problem,Mathis,and nothing taken personally,either.Something got lost in (my) translation,but all i can say is your English is 100% better than my Dutch:respect [H] It's nice to have the comparison.You're rite(sorry,couldn't resist), TROS was and still is a towering influence on composers.Very well put.I even hear it in Maarten Sprujit's music,which I admire.

Thanks for the explanation of the sirens.Positively surreal and unexpected,but it really seems to work.Almost like a comment on the war in Europe.

You know, I'm not Dutch... [[;)]]

Oh. [:O]ops: My bet is you can speak Dutch,though! My guess is German,then (?)

Correct, but only one of the two assumptions.

Sounds like a real orchestra. and sounds like it was played like a real orchestra - 98% there anyway, and that's saying something. *listenable!* really.

thanks,
Miklos
www.miklospower.com

in fact, listening to your other demos, you're not only capable of using this software - something anyone can learn, you are naturally a gifted musical artist.

Thanks again,
Miklos
www.miklospower.com

By the way there's nothing wrong with seeing images in response to music Mathis. Though you make it seem like a character defect in your dismissal of it.

Actually I don't see programmatic images ever - as in Mahler's discarded "program" for the 2nd Symphony which he realized was bullshit. I see something more like "proto-images" - states of mind that almost reach visualization, but are just as abstract as sound. It would be impossible to transcribe these directly to film.

Of course I have a history of hallucinations but that has nothing to do with ithe subject.

miklos:thanks very much indeed.That's very kind.Strings I find are always the hardest to pull off,but with a bit of patience the VSL can go a long to acheiving that.I'll visit your site,when I've finished a job I'm on.

William: I think image association is due largley to the film media,nowadays.The musical vocabulary is in place and juxtaposed to certain "archetypes",so when a person hears a similar piece of music,they subconsciously recall the pictures it accompanied.