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    • Paolo, there’s an authentic Baroque Bassoon instrument out there[img]null[/img]
    • re: sackbuts for use in double-choir pieces (Willaert, Gabrieli, et al.) and with cornetti in general: I have the Rinascimento library but haven't dug in yet.
    • Would it be at all convincing to make a composite pseudo-sackbut emulation ...at least for certain limited ranges & limited dynamics? Maybe adding customized EQ in addition to a dynamic LP filter? I've got VSL's Organ, Cimbasso, Wagner Tuba, Flugelhorn, & Bass Trumpet as ingredients. What do you think? Has anyone experimented with using the attack of one horn but the body & tail of another?
    • I think I read somewhere the idea of a mickey-mouse cornetto by combining flugelhorn & heckelphone. Not quite.  :)

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    There is already a cornetto in the Historic Winds II.  

    Also, faking a sackbut would be inane since the other instruments are so authentically sampled.  

     

    (I just realized the phrase "faking a sackbut" sounds slightly obscene. I don't know why.)
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    Itchy, thank you for the pointer toward the Baroque Bassoon!

    William, probably because you know French, and the mix of English and French in that sentence is devastating! :)

    The specialists I know, here, call it "Renaissance Trombone", to avoid any misunderstunding and legal problems.

    Paolo
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    .    Thanks William. I have HW1 & HW2. The serpent is great, and I couldn’t ask for a more well-sampled cornett!! 

    .    Your point about spoiling the authentic aesthetic is well-taken, and perhaps even a definitive opinion. Yes, my idea may indeed be silly but sometimes we try to do what we can when the ideal isn’t a possibility. :)

    .    Re: “estimating” a renaissance-trombone section… mine will be more of a mixed consort. :)  But, in the spirit of keeping options open and looking outside the box, maybe I’ll find I should just settle for trombones-only for now. otoh, maybe adding a soft, high cimbasso, &/or a limited wagner tuba, &/or a tamed bass trumpet to a modern, EQ’d, limited, trombone section could be in the ballpark for my purpose.

    .    Thanks Paolo for reminding me of the renaissance trombone in Fluffy's Rinascimento. Can you tell us, how is Tarilonte's Era II cornett? imo, Fluffy's "soprano cornett" is sub-par for its lower 2/3 or more of it's range, but the package includes Baroque Guitar & some other nice sounds.
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    @Itchy said:

    Can you tell us, how is Tarilonte's Era II cornett?

    Sub-par, as well. It sounds as lacking dynamics layers, and is very uni-dimensional. It seems as if it was there just to add some color.

    As soon as I can, I'll post a comparison with VSL's one.

    Paolo
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    Paola I don’t know French but now I am intrigued! What do you mean by devastating?
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    Also the VSL Cornetto is fantastic! Totally real sound.
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    @William said:

    Paola I don’t know French but now I am intrigued! What do you mean by devastating?

    William, it just sounds obscene, like in English. More for the idea of movement suggested by the juxtaposed composing words. But it has also some roots in the literary history, with Rabelais citing the name of the instrument in some situations. One is when some monks want to be fast with the mass, because they want to go satysfying their stomach as soon as possible. And so, one of them says:

    "Car en ayant très-bien desjeusné et repu à usage monachal, si d'adventure il nous chante de Requiem, je y eusse porté pain et vin par les traicts passés. Patience. Saquez, choquez, boutez; mais troussez-la court, de paour que ne se crotte, et pour aultre cause aussi, je vous prie."

    "For, had I eaten a good breakfast and fed like a monk, if he should chance to sing us the Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, I had then brought thither bread and wine for the traits passes (those that are gone before). Well, patience; pull away, and save tide; short and sweet, I pray you, and this for a cause."

    The versions in modern French lose any reference to the musical instrument, by replacing the original "saquez, choquez, boutez" with a poor "dégainez, frappez, boutez".

    Paolo
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    Paolo, that is funny, thanks for that info.  

    I was thinking that what is happening in English is:  Sack-but(t)  =  Fat-ass 

    Sorry, I realized that is crude and not at all in keeping with proper language on the website of a fine company dedicated to the highest standards of musical excellence.  Also, I mean no offense to all the sackbuts out there.  No matter how much weight they have to lose.
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    William, I'm sure the sackbuts out there were not offended! They were too buzy eating a cornetto for breakfast!

    Paolo
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    @Itchy an all other forum members: As you might know, this is a company driven maEssage board. May I politely ask you to refrain from posting ads for competitor's products. Places like VI Control or the like would be the place for that. Thanks!

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Dietz said:

    this is a company driven massage board.

    What a pleasant surprise😊 

    When did VSL started offering massages? That's what I like about VSL they are always ahead of the zeitgeist.  I expect the competition to soon follow suit and start offereing sackbut massages too😛😛😛

     

    (I'm sorry Dietz I just couldn't resist.)  I hope my humour helped brighten your day as it was all meant in good fun 😃 
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    Dietz, point taken; my apologies. Please know, fwiw, I posted the pic in an effort to assist a fellow-VSL user; only intended as a visual statement that a certain instrument exists. That said, this was [i]my bad[/i]. In the bigger scope of the word, I see that sort of thing is indeed an [i]advertisement[/i].
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    How does one delete an image attached to a previous post?
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    Don't bother. No need to feel bad or to edit your posting, I just wanted to make sure that things don't get out of hand just because "nobody said anything". :-)

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Interesting, no one mentions the lute...
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    Just a little experiment. Does it sound believable?

    Paolo
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    Hi Paolo, I just heard your little experiment.
    I don't know if this is ringing or that I'm totally wrong, but the f4 (with the Vienna Equalizer Pro it is very easy to determine frequencies with the keyboard in its window), that is about 349 Hz, when you diminish that frequency, it becomes in my ears much more natural. It is just that frequency, so I used Q between 15 and 20, to just affect that particular frequency.
    But the melody as a whole sounds beautiful to me and believable.
    But at the end, I'm not a string player... and they listen in a different way, hear much more, I discovered.
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    MMKA, thank you very much for listening, and congratulation for your fine ear! The piece is indeed transposed one semitones higher (tuned at A = 466Hz), and the scale is based on a meantone temperament. I was thinking this would have contributed to the realism of a late-Renaissance piece. VIPRO and Logic allow it, so I did it! Paolo