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  • Altiverb 5

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    I upgraded my Altiverb to version 5 today, and I found an html document in the installed folder that I'm sure will be of interest to people in this forum. It's also on their website here:

    http://www.audioease.com/Pages/AltiverbAltiverb5Stagepositions.html

    It offers a demonstration by Maarten Spruijt using VSL samples of how to place instruments on the stage to achieve realistic results. It sounds to me something like the MIR project (or what I know of it). Cleverly, you use multiple Altiverbs on different instruments with only the predelay active and the tail disabled. You use a master fader for the tail. All of Spruijt's settings are included in the presets.

    Other intriguing things I discovered on quick glance: it has 5.1 reverbs. I haven't had a chance to explore it fully yet and probably won't get a chance for about two weeks (business trip).

    I'm starting this thread to share ideas on how to use it. I'm especially interested in DTDM/DAE users (Patrick Wilson, Nick@madhatter, are you there?). It comes with an Audio Units version, too (as well as VST and MAS). I want to figure out a way to go what Spruijt did, only in 5.1.

    Thanks,
    John Davis
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    I'm just starting to explore the Altiverb with VSL but I have used the 5.1 IR's for post on a Indy film that I did the audio work for. Sounded great! I was using it alot for placing the actors in different spaces since the Sets did not have the acoustics that they were suppose to represent. Eveyone loved the results. Used DP with the MAS version of Alitverb witch is nice because DP sees the plugin as a 5.1 plug so it is pretty hassle free on the end. The center channel bleed gave the mix a great 360 surround.

    As for Altiverb with VSL, (Logic stereo AU) I started out with Maarten's presets and modified from there. I'm still exploring the possibilities and comming up with some mixes that I'm very happy with. I found that was moving the stage positions back further then in the examples to get what I wanted so I'm reviewing it to see if I have missed anything from the originals. I guess I'm going to start to explore the EQ settings more to see if I can place the instruments in a cohesive mix since some still stand out then others.

    Chris
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    You seem to have missed one of the "/" in your link -- correct link is http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Altiverb/Altiverb5Stagepositions.html

    Thanks, looks useful!

    Any opinions, btw, on comparisons between Altiverb 5 and GigaPulse? How about convolution vs. traditional reverbs?
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    @dackl said:

    [...] It sounds to me something like the MIR project (or what I know of it). [...]

    Yes, it's at least a step in the right direction. The MIR will offer this and much more. It will be not only multi-positional on stage as well as from the listener position, but multi-directional too, as well as multi-format capable. On the top of it, it is not "just" a reverb, but a complete mixing front-end for our instruments. To achieve this, the MIR will have to have a certain "knowledge" about the incoming signals - which is possible as we know our instruments, of course.

    In the end, you will place your virtual musicians freely on stage and ask them to perform to your liking, much like a conductor would do - and you will forget about the enourmous amount of techno-stuff going on in the background.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Any guess on how long till that will be released, Dietz? Will there be a beta release? Sounds heavenly!
  • DietzD
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    As I wrote before - no finished product till the end of the year, but maybe one or two surprises in addition to the features described above [:)]
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    End of the year isn't bad!
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    certainly isn't! can't wait.
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    i'm being bowled over by Altiverb 5 right now too..

    if MIR is going to be a collab between Audioease and VSL.. will the altiverb 5 owning customers be looked after in a cross grade price or something.


    this decision would dramatically influence my purchase of MIR [:D] ..



    hopefully
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    I suppose on the "master tail" the predelay/early reflections are disabled. Just now setting up a new master template and I want to do right. both sound okay to me but in context I am guessing that using two sets of early reflections will cause phasing.
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    That's a bit of a technical question really, yes you do have to be careful of phasing sometimes with the mix setups using altiverb because you can accidentally leave two direct gains on, and even IR processed direct gain signals mixed with non-direct gain signals, I have noticed produce phasing effects. The answer is yes and no because the stage placement tool places the direct setting at 0db (normal), with the early reflections of course changable. The master tail verb is getting the output of the early reflections reverb, so technically, it's not a dry mix, it's wet, and it is adding early reflections to that, not the original. Even the direct mix is an IR direct mix, which means it's the sound of the direct signal as processed by the IR, so it's not dry. All early reflections settings should be set to 100% wet. The altiverb website recommends turning down early reflections to around -10 - -30 db for the master tail but I see they don't disable this altogether in the settings. I think this is to provide some kind of perceptive continuity between the sounds being mixed together by the master verb.I suppose the bottom line is use your ears for that part.

    Miklos Power.
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    @fitch said:

    i'm being bowled over by Altiverb 5 right now too..

    if MIR is going to be a collab between Audioease and VSL.. will the altiverb 5 owning customers be looked after in a cross grade price or something.

    this decision would dramatically influence my purchase of MIR [:D] ..

    hopefully

    I tried to explain this several times already, so I repeat it just for the sake of completeness, as the quoted message is an old one: The MIR is a collaboration between AudioEase and the VSL only insofar that we got them to develop a dedicated convolution-engine for our concept. We are very happy about this, but neither is the MIR an AltiVerb in disguise (or vice versa), nor are there any plans for cross-/side-/up-grades.

    Kind regards,
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    hehe - at the time it looked like you were releasing MIR at the end of 2005... woa [:)]

    2006 would be nice, and hopefully soon (although this does seem unlikely)
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    When Royalty is late, one doesn't complain. One is gracious they will be arriving at all. [:)]
  • DietzD
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    .... sigh .... what can I say. Computers are hardly fast enough for our needs, even today, so a later MIR means a faster (read: actually usable) MIR.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    hehe - quite insane when you think about it!...

    You considered releasing a MIR lite with an upgrade path to the full MIR ones computers can take it?
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    The upside is that altiverb is still "new" technology until then [:)]
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    Indeed, and i'll surely be trying it out. I would however prefere a VSL alternative based on MIR, which could then be upgraded at a later date to a more complete version. However its a possibility that VSL has agreed in their contracts with Audioease not to be direct competition, and release MIR as a more standard convolution.
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    That's like asking the queen to make her appearance half dressed in her underwear. It's just disrespectful... [H]
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    Dietz, it's occured to me that most users would have more than one library at their disposal, as VSL hasn't as yet, covered the many configurations required in the marketplace. (Jazz, Synth, and i'll reluctantly add, hiphop, trance, etc...)

    Will MIR be capable of hosting other libraries too?

    A second question. As you know, i'm considering the switch to Nuendo, and i've been interested in the Euphonix controller (MC5).
    Given what seems the high level of integration between Nuendo and the MC5 using the EuCon spec, can MIR respond to a physical controller like the MC5, and if so, how well will it integrate with Nuendo, for example? Are there plans to code the Eucon spec, or similar code into MIR to enable external manipulation? Will a network system, i.e., Euphonix router, Madi cards, Gigabit Ethernet switch, etc., increase the chance of MIR functioning without pushing system limits?

    And can MIR be installed across more than one PC, utilising Gigabit Ethernet, Madi etc, to spread the CPU/RAM load, and potentially help push the convolution load closer to live output, with less reliance on offline due to hardware limitations?
    (CM's a LOT cleverer than i am when i comes to computer stuff, so i'd be surprised he hasn't already thought of or tried this.[H])

    I appreciate you're being a little circumspect about the package. It's just information like this, with a long lead in time before release would help me, and maybe others, to plan ahead.

    Regards,

    Alex.
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