Can I disable MIR Pro 24 from loading in VEP?

[eirikbj]

Hi,

I have a multi-instance VEP connected to Logic. MIR loads a seperate "instance" in each instance and i can´t put the instruments in "the same room" as to speak.

I am now looking in to using the stand alone MIR as a plugin in Logic, but still want to run the samples via VEP.
So my setup i like this.

VEP <--samples--> LOGIC <--reverb--> MIR PRO

I am though, afraid that the MIRs loaded up in VEP  drains uneccesary resources from my mac.

So: Can i disable them?

PS: I really love the way I can setup my entire orhcestra in one VEP instance --> Full control!, but alas, Logic is no good in multiport setup. Thatś why I am looking to still use a multi-instance setup with Logic

Eirik

[Dietz]

Hi Eirik,

I assume that you have enabled the option for "auto-adding MIR Pro" to each new instrument channel in Vienna Ensemble Pro. By deactivating this option, MIR won't be instantiated automatically any longer (see screenshot 1).

... a little-known trick to work with _one_ instance of MIR Pro across multiple VE Pro frames is to use its more "conventional" VST/AU-plug-in version instead of the full-blown, VE Pro based versions. You will lose some nifty features like auto-guessing Instrument Profiles and the like, but you won't need to use seperate instances of MIR in each instance of VE Pro any longer (... assuming that they all reside on the same computer, of course). Just de-activate the respective MIR Pro Preference (see screenshot 2).

HTH,

[eirikbj]

Hi Dietz.

The option is deactivated, but i still get the MIR window in my instances.

Is it sufficient to close the window to stop MIR from taking resources?

 

Eirik

[Dietz]

Oh, you're talking about MIR Pro's startup view! Apart from a few KB of RAM this won't use any ressources at all. Just make sure that you don't add MIR Pro to any of your channels.

As a matter of fact, MIR hardly uses any CPU as long as there are no signals to calculate. The only exception would be a scenario where you would DISable the Preference for dynamic processing - but this wouldn't make sense in most cases anyway. 

Kind regards,

[FineCutBodies]

@Dietz said:

... a little-known trick to work with _one_ instance of MIR Pro across multiple VE Pro frames is to use its more "conventional" VST/AU-plug-in version instead of the full-blown, VE Pro based versions. You will lose some nifty features like auto-guessing Instrument Profiles and the like, but you won't need to use seperate instances of MIR in each instance of VE Pro any longer (... assuming that they all reside on the same computer, of course). Just de-activate the respective MIR Pro Preference (see screenshot 2).

I'm not a MIR owner yet, but currently considering to buy it and use it on my VEP server. So probably this is why it's not obvious for me how this solves the problem. Could you help me out how it works? 

I simply add an instance of the MIR VST to an empty "VEP instance" then I can route any buses of any other VEP instances into this one MIR VST if those instances are on the same computer (same project)?

In my server project I have VEP instances like Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, etc... so if I want to send some buses from those instances into the one and only MIR plugin in the same VEP project, can I do it? Is there an inter-instance routing in VEP, or it's just some MIR specific thing?

Appreciate your help, Dietz!

[Dietz]

@Another User said:

In my server project I have VEP instances like Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, etc... so if I want to send some buses from those instances into the one and only MIR plugin in the same VEP project, can I do it? Is there an inter-instance routing in VEP, or it's just some MIR specific thing?

Yes, you could do this, and it is indeed a MIR Pro-specific feature. As soon as you use the conventional VST/AU-plug-in version of MIR Pro instead of its "built-in" full version in VE Pro, it is just another plug-in for VE Pro (that happens to run a main GUI seperately from the host applictation).

... just be aware that you'll lose the clever exchange of meta-information between the two applications then: Vienna Instruments won't get dedected automatically any more, names have to be typed in manually, volume settings and colour of the MIR Pro instance and the channel which hosts it aren't mirroring each other any longer, and so on.

Kind regards,

[Dietz]

The promised screenshots:

[evan evans]

@Dietz said:

The promised screenshots:

Really cool screenshot. But, hmm, I'm not sure I understand the routing going on here. I am not sure which window is showing the contents of which VST plugin and which VST plugin is in which instance. How to set it all up. Maybe it will be easier to illustrate more clearly with just 2 instances in a screenshot like this Dietz?

Best regards,

Evan Evans

[Paul]

Hi Evan, 

To the left, you see one of the three instances in VE PRO, with MIR PRO inserted as a plug-in (NOT the MIR PRO integrated in VE PRO).

To the right, you see the MIR PRO Server (a separate server outside of VE PRO), with the 3 MIR PRO icons that receive information from the 3 VE PRO instances, all in one MIR PRO window. 

I don't know how this could be displayed in a clearer way..... Give it a try to rebuild it, should only take 2 minutes!

Best,
Paul

[FineCutBodies]

Thanks Dietz and Paul!

[evan evans]

Okay thanks Paul. And hopefully I can achieve this with MIR PRO 24, right? I'll give it a try this weekend.

[Paul]

Hi, 

MIR PRO 24 works exactly the same way, only limitation: no more than 24 icons. 

Best,
Paul

[evan evans]

@Another User said:

To the right, you see the MIR PRO Server (a separate server outside of VE PRO)

You say it would be on a separate server. Could it be on the same server? Would I just insert it on another Project called for example: "MIR"?

Best,
Evan

[Paul]

Hi Evan,

Please install MIR PRO /24 again.

As soon as MIR PRO shows up in your INSERT FX plug-ins, it should all be clear.

Best,
Paul

[Dewdman42]

Thanks a lot for pointing out this approach.  I would like to suggestion a feature for MIR PRO would be that in the VEP version of the MIRPRO plugin, it would be nice to have an option in there that can consolidate MIR across instances into one stage...so that we can get the VEP integration to detect and load instrument setups into MIR, which is extremely time saving...but with LPX we pretty much always have ot use multiple VEP instances...so its a bit of an ironic dilema.  If the built in VEP MIR plugin could also consolidate like the AU/VST version...that would be supremely helpful.

[richhickey]

@Dewdman42 said:

Thanks a lot for pointing out this approach.  I would like to suggestion a feature for MIR PRO would be that in the VEP version of the MIRPRO plugin, it would be nice to have an option in there that can consolidate MIR across instances into one stage...so that we can get the VEP integration to detect and load instrument setups into MIR, which is extremely time saving...but with LPX we pretty much always have ot use multiple VEP instances...so its a bit of an ironic dilema.  If the built in VEP MIR plugin could also consolidate like the AU/VST version...that would be supremely helpful.

+1 - this would be a sensible and desirable feature