what do you mean "organic" ?

btw I noticed the Laloggia music here -

Lady in White music

very cool that it is on vinyl

Well, I've always used the term "organic" to describe music that is realized through acoustic means without electronic enhancement like synths or amplifiers.  Examples would be like a Jazz band, Folk music or an orchestra. 

So why didn't I just say, "orchestraded?" 🤔

In retrospect, perhaps "organic" was a poor choice of words😳

Anyway, if you watch The Thing most of the cues during the film are orchestrated not synthetic.  If I recall, mostly woodwinds. 

Yes I do recall a lot of cues with acoustic.  It is a gloomy sounding score that adds to the extreme effect of that film. I've always felt it was not a box office success because it was truly a horror film - brrrr!  😮  Now it is a classic example of Carpenter's great directing. 

Speaking of analogue synth we are now living in the Renaissance of Analog Synthesizers, with Korg creating new Arp Odyssey, Moog, Roland, etc.  I recently got a Korg Minilogue which is fantastic, and I am using it with MIR, placing it on the Vienna Konzerthaus stage along with the other players. 

@William said:

I've always felt it was not a box office success because it was truly a horror film - brrrr!  😮 

...and because it played against Spielberg's E.T. 

In fact, for years after, Carpenter refered to The Thing as his Anti-E.T.

I don't know what it is about that score.  It's so simple yet so penetrating.  I think for me the score grabs hold of you and drags you to this dark and gloomy place where you feel cold, lonely and hopeless just like the characters in the movie which is set in the most freezing and isolated place on Earth.

The score to The Shinning had a similiar affect on me.

The score to The Shinning had a similiar affect on me.

I just remember Bartok in that film, did Carpenter do some too?

Sorry, but not a fan of Carpenters' music, (like his films though).  I think Williams' own scoring will be a considerable improvement.

"I think for me the score grabs hold of you and drags you to this dark and gloomy place where you feel cold, lonely and hopeless just like the characters in the movie which is set in the most freezing and isolated place on Earth." -Jasensmith

That is a perfect description.   Also, the ending- that is one of the most brilliant and radical endings of a movie ever.  

On the Shining Kubrick used his  "temp track" approach to scoring which is very mean to composers but works  for his films.  Remember that "2001" had a fabulous score by Alex North that Kubrick never even told him was replaced by the temp track and North found out at the premiere.  Holy crap! That is cold.  Also, Kubrick never paid Ligeti one cent!  Typical treatment of composers.

But the score of The Shining was very effective with some tracks by Penderecki as well as Wendy Carlos riffing off Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique.   

Here is why I do also absolutly count to the filmmusic-guys using VSL:

http://klassik-resampled.de/promethe (link is fixed now !)

Of course this is one of the most signifcant films ever done with music at al.... 😃

link doesn't work

I still could not get the link to play on a Chromebook.  Maybe it works on another system.

This thread has gone a little off-topic (as is habitual here), since people are also discussing filmakers' choices for soundtracks rather than strictly filmakers-composers; which is great, as more interesting things are brought forward.

fahl's entry however is completely off the mark, obviously. For interest's sake, 'Prometheus' was a work my wife considered as a topic for her Musicology dissertation a few years ago. She wanted to use Fourier transforms to accurately map the work's sonic spectrum to that of light (no synaesthesia), thus only partly fulfilling Scriabin's vision of gesamkunstwerk - he also wanted particular smells to be aired in the auditorium, etc. - and then perform the work authoritatively for the first time (that is, take the solo piano part) for its 100th anniversary. Sadly, two physics departments said that it is scientifically unsound to claim analogies between sound waves and light waves, and she had to find another topic...

By the way, has anyone really checked fahl's signature? My-my... It sure beats mine.

P.S.: I loved Kubrick's use of Ligeti piano studies in Eyes Wide Shut. One of the best marriages of music to film I have ever known, especially considering the music was not composed for the footage!

Errikos you read my mind.  Yes I noticed that signature. I have avoided commenting several times and am pleased to see you didn't.   

I wrote some more about Scriabin but decided to delete it.    I found it somewhat disingenuous to coyly mention Scriabin with the obvious assumption on the part of the poster that no one would know the "film"  (i.e. visual music) reference.   

Hi Errikos

Any Problem with my signature?

It is nothing else but a simple question! (marked by a "?" )

So if you do know "any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music" ... just give me the concrete answer to my question: I'd be very very interested to know more about other guys working like me on things I am interested in.  

 "off the mark"????

However, the Idea to let music act in harmony with visual stimlation as Scriabin tried it in Promthé is at least in my eyes not to far away from fundamental conditions of composing music for films, meanwhile he was experimenting with this of course many years before films and filmmusic as we know it today actually developed.

In short, this was simply my project with the the strongest parallel to filmmusic-making and (nearly) completly done with VSL, so that was simply what I thought I perhaps could contribute to your Question about "filmmakers who use VSL".  And yes of course I made the "Film" with the Luceclav-Colurs by my self in so far I am a maker of that film.... 😉

Hi William,

could you just show me where ever you read anything justifying irritating wordings like that: "with the obvious assumption on the part of the poster that no one would know the "film" "

All what you are "obviosly" talking about is my little not to seriously meant (see Smily) sentence:

"Of course this is one of the most signifcant films ever done with music at al.... "

So please stay kind as I like to be with you.

best

Steffen

@fahl5 said:

Hi Errikos Any Problem with my signature? [b]It is nothing else but a simple question![/b] (marked by a "?" ) So if you do know "[i]any greater resource of sample-based recordings of classical music[/i]" ... just give me the concrete answer to my question: I'd be very very interested to know more about other guys working like me on things I am interested in. "off the mark"????

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your attempt to calm down things a bit. But I think it is absolutly not necessary to change my signature just because some freaks here like to react a bit weird about.

...or would you change your www.MaestrosCorner.com URL in to www.abjectivemusiclovercorner.com, just for the fancy of one or two Forummembers who have no better Idea to contribute to the real toipic here then what Errikos anf William have done here in their last posts.

I just tried to point them back on the facts of what they are talking about. And I think that should be enough to come back to a more polite and friendly behavior a forum like this deserves.

best

Steffen

"come back to a more polite and friendly behavior a forum like this deserves"  

after you call people "freaks" and then say they need to be polite and friendly.  You need to listen to your own advice.

By the way, you never comment on anyone else's music, then whine when people don't comment on yours. That is pathetic.  Also, to answer your arrogant question on your signature - is there anything? - Yes.  Right here. The demos on Vienna Symphonic LIbrary website blow everything on your site off the map.  So take that signature off, O.K.?  It isn't fooling anyone. You are just barely over the level of  1990 General MIDI realizations in quality.   You can do five thousand different copyright-free realizations with low-grade MIDI, but don't think quantity makes you better than quality.  

Oh William William William,.....

(I fear you did'nt realised, that

a) there have been and still are enough VSL-demos on the Vienna Symphonic LIbrary website made by myself so the quality could not be that diifferent for instance between the same pieces on both sites😃

b) my signature asks for complete and ambitious classical music and not little demo pieces, exerpts or single movements

c) yes you are right even in a quantitative sense the VSL-Demos actually does not level up in any way with the music you can hear at klassik-resampled

To be honest for me at least the VSL Demo site might be enough to give some impressions about what some people are able to do with VSL, but no matter what you think what may blow you or who  or what ever else, imho it is defenitly in no way a satisfying answer to the question of my signature. 

And now be so kind, keep your personal invective against me back and come back to a more civilised way of conversation and of course the real topic of your own thread....

(A great Thank you for the reasonable Admins who help now to keep a more civilised konversation here)

Hi fahl5. Thanks for biting. No, no problem with your signature. (Nothing else, but a simple answer, marked by a '.'). You're also a humourless person; I suppose that's why you're a simulator instead of a composer.

You calling me a freak however before I had a chance to provide the above answer reeks of immense insecurity, belying the confidence your signature emits. Pity; real pity...

Further, you were off the mark with Scriabin, as there was no film involved in his creation, merely visual stimulus (although this could be relevant in this discussion). You are the one who made the film - I take it you used the colours called for in the score. Top marks for effort (that also goes for your very useful recordings-archive of unperformed works of sometimes undeservedly obscure composers), low marks for character.

Finally, threatening William with Political Correction Police reveals [....]. For that reason alone you should revise your manly signature, even if it is probably factual.

It is a pure lie that I have called anyone personally a "freak"

The exact wording is:

"Thanks for your attempt to calm down things a bit. But I think it is absolutly not necessary to change my signature just because some freaks here like to react a bit weird about."

This is nothing else but a general statement without any explicit personal relation at all.

In the following I just show you how a real pure and direct personal personal attacks looks like, marked by the words "you" and respectless vilifications ("humourless person") without any relation to the topic here at all. And I think you will have no problem to find out who is writing like this here:

"You're also a humourless person;"

Is this what you think, how someone who has any musical sensitivity would ever talk to another.

At least I definitly would not! However I am just wondering why no one else feels responsible here for what is going on here!

As far as I know direct personal Insults have of course nothing in common with any sense of "humour" nor are they in any way a question of a "Political Correction Police" but simply and seriously for good reasons "punishable acts" and nothing any one is even allowed to tolerate.

There would be enough I would have answered concerning your more topice related arguments here. But I do not think this is an athmosphere where any reasonable discussion is any more possible. Its a pity but it is as it is.....

Can you please all revert to a polite and constructive way of discussion. The tone of this thread has derailed quite a bit. Thanks a lot.

Thank  you Dietz! For two gus here your words of reason seem to me really necessary..

I hope that would help in future.