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  • star wars theme with VSL

    I saw this Youtube video claiming to have made the opening of star wars with VSL.



    Can anyone confirm if this is indeed VSL? If so it is quite unbelievable. I think it actually sounds much more realistic than the same theme in the VSL demo page, especially the brass. I would love to know the programming details.


  • Here is the same guy with a mockup of the the E.T. score:

     


    This is definitely not the original recording as I've heard that a thousand times and there are subtle differences. So I guess his star wars video must also be VSL.

    He has done an amazing job with VSL! 

    I wonder if anyone knows 'Martin Watt'


  • never mind my posts....I listened to the VSL demo of star wars and actually like that better!

    Dont know why I got excited by the other video.

    VSL wins either way.


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    Hello Anand

    Keep in mind that VSL samples are dry recorded. This fact can lead to a lot of different mixes. I started such a "Star-Wars attempt" myself in 2007... which I unfortunately never really finished. So listen to another mix. It does not contain all the voices - but it only shall show how different VSL can sound...

    I believe the SUITE EFFECTS only contained the common Convolution Reverb which I obviously combined with an 3rd party Algo Reverb... BTW: Funny to look into a mix which was done 8 before 😊

    Have fun

    Beat

    BK-Starwars_2007_15.mp3


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • Hi Beat,

    Very nice. I liked the brass in your mix too, although for the strings the attacks and release seemed a bit unnatural to me, at times. But overall, this was such a fun blend of Star wars themes, and some special effects too! 

    When you mention  about the dry samples of VSL, this is something I am learning to get used to. It takes some good knowledge of orchestration and MIDI programming to truly take advantage of VSL, which is a good thing. Id rather have the basic elements to work with than have canned  sounds handed to me. 

    I consider the demos here as something to strive for, in terms of sound (I mean that if you guys can do so well with VSL there must be a right way to do it).

    Best

    Anand


  • The brass programming is simply astounding! The rest is a little more ordinary for that kind of calibre.


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    Hi Anand

    Thanks for the kind feedback. About the "attack" of the strings: When I started to to produce this piece in 2007 the aim was to demonstrate the Appassionata Strings Library. But then I saw soon that this music is not perfect for the Appassionatas even if hollywood sound was asked here. The appassionatas where a bit too "sweet" concerning the attack times for such the powerfull Star-Wars-track. Normally one could combine the appassionatas with the orchestra strings + the the solos and everything would be great. But this possibilitiy was a "NoGo" (because of the aim appassionata-demo). This was the reason why I never really finished this piece. So it sound how it sounds: Not finished and balanced. 

    @Another User said:

    ...there must be a right way to do it...

    I believe that there is no "right way" (no template, no preset). The skills and the experiences of a mixer are finally doing the mix. "Skill" mainly means "a lot of invested time for learning most of the important things" - as explained above.

    Beat


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • Hi Beat

    Very interesting to know about your attempt at the Star wars theme. But in anycase the horns are indeed 'astounding' as Errikos said. 

    Thanks for the advice too. I did understand the approach to VSL as the second path, i.e., learn the language deeper. I look forward to the long learnign curve!  

    On that note, I was trying to find a manual that explains the basic concepts of VI such as matrices. But the manual assumes knowledge of the old versions of VI.

    Could you please point to a manual that explains the basic functions of VI to a beginner? I dont even have a clue how to build a matrix and use it. Currently I just load the Sibelius presets and go with the soundsets. But Id like to learn more. 

    Thanks in advance

    Anand


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    @agitato said:

    Could you please point to a manual that explains the basic functions of VI to a beginner? I dont even have a clue how to build a matrix and use it. Currently I just load the Sibelius presets and go with the soundsets...

    Hi Anand

    Reading your text above it seems that you are using Sibelius for controlling the VI(s). Hmm...

    Please watch this video and listen to this short Mendelson (21.) Please see also the image below theMenelson-player where you can see the keyswitches for changing the articulations. All these things (different velocities with every new note and changes of the articulation after just one or two notes) are only two little things which are very easy to do within a Digital Audio Workstation (Logic, Cubase etc.) but not really within a score program. Of course you can control a lot there as well but the possibilities are not as extensive as within a DAW... 

    So if you are a beginner and you really have the aim to produce great perfomances with samples then it could be a first important step to produce the final piece of music within a DAW instead with sibelius. You will have more (all) possibilities to take influence on the samples, the velocities etc. Further you can produce curves for control the velocities, parameters of used effectes and so on - which is important for having natural and interesting performances in the end. 

    So "do" your compositions with sibelius and still with samples. But then export them as midi file. Import those midi files into a Daw and produce/mix the final piece with the DAW. Then you are also free in how you want to organize your VI. You can change the articulations (matrices) with notes and other controllers.  Here is a  Mini-Tutorial how to use/organize the VI: http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/vimidi/index.php

    Best

    Beat


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    @agitato said:

    I saw this Youtube video claiming to have made the opening of star wars with VSL.



    Can anyone confirm if this is indeed VSL? If so it is quite unbelievable. I think it actually sounds much more realistic than the same theme in the VSL demo page, especially the brass. I would love to know the programming details.

     

    😮 Indeed, quite impressive! 


  • Hi Beat

    Thank you for the links...one reason I got VSL was the simply OUTSTANDING help and support from these forums.

    Yes I am  working with Sibelius but thanks to you and others on this forum I am realizing that it should not be the final stage of the mix. But it helps me conceive the music freely to write first in notation (Sibelius or paper).

    I will definitely take the path of MIDI export from Sibelius soon. I have Sonar but hoping that will suffice as a DAW for a novice. I will take a look at your videos once I get the time.

    Best

    Anand


  • btw speaking of the lack of flexibility in Sibelius, and you may know about this, it appears that the guy who headed the Sibelius software team, Daniel Spreadbury is working with Steinberg now, and it is likely that a future version of cubase will include notation as sophisticated as Sibelius + all the DAW flexibility. But I am not sure of their timeline.

    http://blog.steinberg.net/faq/

    http://blog.steinberg.net/


  • Hi agitato

    Thanks for your responses. It always depends on the level you like to work. It is probably OK that one can print and show notes in Cubase as well, but I personally would never choose Cubase for producing a professional score. But... we will see what the future brings...

    For the closer future I wish you a lot of success with Sonar.

    Beat


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    @agitato said:

    I saw this Youtube video claiming to have made the opening of star wars with VSL.



    Can anyone confirm if this is indeed VSL? If so it is quite unbelievable. I think it actually sounds much more realistic than the same theme in the VSL demo page, especially the brass. I would love to know the programming details.

     

    In fact, it's just Jay Bacal's original demo with a horrible, low res. screenshot of VE in the background, which seems to be the only original contribution by this youtube user to the video. So, if this user is reading this, please kindly complete the following sentence: Not even mentioning Jay Bacal's programming and Dietz's mixing (either in the video or the comments) is...


  • Thats quite fascinating. Not sure why this person would post this as their own.


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