@strytten said:

Would someone from Vienna please comment in on this please?

Thanks,

Steve

This would be me, wouldn't it? 😊

MIR was created as a single final mixing stage, with the goal of simplifying things in mind. (Personally I still think that it somewhat counter-productive to split a concept into several parts that was meant to be used as one - but that's a different topic.) That's why MIR and MIR Pro were (an still are) single license applications from the very beginning.

Seeing that some VE Pro / MIR Pro users still want to use MIR in a multi-machine setup, VSL came up with MIR Pro 24, which is a cheap way to expand MIR Pro to more than one computer.

Another option is to write a mail to  for a side-license to full-blown MIR Pro.

HTH,

Hi Dietz

Today the PC/Mac availlable are a bit short of power to drive a full orchestra with Mir 5.1 or 7.1.

A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test 

In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

When is this version will be availlable

May be this guy will not need to split his orchestra !

Best

Cyril

A better thing to do is to run a sequencer/DAW on one computer, and the whole orchestra on another.  Then there is no need to split the orchestra in MIR into multiple computers because one computer can run a large orchestra as a standalone MIR.  The last mixes I did were large orchestra and the computer I am using is not even that big - an i920 with 24 GB of RAM.  And it can do a large orchestration with no  problem.  I do use it as a slave though.  But what Dietz  is saying is (of course) the whole basic concept of MIR -  to create the entire environment of sound, not just feed into something else. 

Hi William

Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

Best

Cyril

 In stereo

@Cyril said:

[...]

A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test

In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

When is this version will be availlable

[...]

It's available right now: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32084.aspx

Kind regards,

@Cyril said:

Hi William

Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

Best

Cyril

 There is really no practical use for 7.1, it only exists for technology sake (although I believe 9.1 also exists !),  but if you must work with 5.1, then do all your tracking and recording in stereo, then switch MIR to 5.1 for mixing, and then set the buffers very high, as latency is not really an issue when mixing.

@William said:

 In stereo

This is why !

5.1 and 7.1 are very very very much greedy

Also you get pops and clicks only using 60 % of my 12 core if you use Event input

@Cyril said:

Hi William

Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

Best

Cyril

 There is really no practical use for 7.1, it only exists for technology sake (although I believe 9.1 also exists !),  but if you must work with 5.1, then do all your tracking and recording in stereo, then switch MIR to 5.1 for mixing, and then set the buffers very high, as latency is not really an issue when mixing.

Thanks for the trick, 

You set buffer very high on the DAW ? my buffer setting are set to 1024 in Logic 

@Cyril said:

[...]

A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test

In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

When is this version will be availlable

[...]

It's available right now: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32084.aspx

Kind regards,

GREAT 

I will give it a trial and report.

Many thanks

Best

Cyril

+1000

I too was disappointed at only 1 MIR24 license for VE5 while you have 3 for the VE5 as well as Vienna Suite.  It's not really multiple setups running separately, its 1 guy doing 1 project on a networked system (that is the whole 'concept' we were  sold).  Bit the bullet and upgraded to VEP5 now to find that Networking 3 computers with MIRpro24 will be an additional $1100.   Not cool.  'Round here, we call that 'Bait and Switch'.  Please re-think your pricing/licensing options for your 'Networking Solution'.  Multiple licensing or reasonable side-licenses. Thanks!

Hi Blogospherianman,

Thanks for sharing your point of view - I will share mine, too. :-)

I tried to explain the concept Vienna MIR and its successor MIR Pro as _one_ unified mixing stage in my previous post in this thread.

Like pointed out before, MIR Pro 24 is meant to be a cheap entrance into the world of object-oriented mixing as well as a cost-effective side license to MIR Pro.

Up to now there are no comparable solutions available on the market. Other professional software reverbs (with much simpler underlying concepts and engines) will cost you the same or even more. You would still pay at least five times the price for good surround-capable hardware reverbs - without the degree of integration and built-in intelligence you can find in MIR (I gave an overview in this message some months ago: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/30396/194615.aspx#194615).

.... that said, rest assured that VSL has an open ear for complaints like yours.

Kind regards,

+ 2000

I will say it again ; why does MIR has to return to LOGIC or other DAW, if MIR is the FINAL STAGE, you just need to add bouncing to MIR.

This will avoind to put pressure on Logic or other DAW.

PLEASE add this feature so we gt rid of this bottle neck

The other solution is to change MIR licensing and to allow 3 serial no per user

Thanks a again Dietz and all the VSL programmers that wrote MIR.

Best

Cyril

@Another User said:

This will avoind to put pressure on Logic or other DAW.

I don't see any pressure put on my DAWs by MIR Pro. Could it be that you're experiencing a problem with Logic?

I hope my comments on this are positive, and not a "rant." Vienna products are fabulous, and I own almost all of them and use them every day.

Vienna - you got it right when you allowed three licenses on VE Pro. Most of us need to spread instruments around more than one computer either due to workflow logistics, or hardware limitations.

However, it doesn't seem right not to allow three licenses on MIR; or at least to charge only a nominal amount for them.

I understand your point that there is nothing comparable to MIR on the market. That's why I made a substantial investment to buy it. But the fact that there is nothing comparable doesn't explain Vienna's policy towards licensing. There's nothing comparable to VE Pro either, and it came with three licenses.

I also understand your point that MIR Pro was designed as a unified mixing stage, and perhaps it was not contemplated that users might want to have different MIR rooms on different instruments in the same mix; and perhaps it was not contemplated that users need to distribute instruments across multiple computers - but they do.

The Hammond organ was designed for living rooms. The Fender Rhodes electric piano was designed as a device to rehabilitate injured soldiers. But users figured out other uses and they became very popular musical instruments. You should hear what MIR does for certain jazz and pop tracks. Who knows what other uses people will discover.

I read the web site carefully before buying MIR. Both my computer tech and I were left with the impression that we would have three licenses to VE Pro that would include access to MIR.

Vienna - would you consider offering these additional licenses at a nominal cost - perhaps $100 per additional license? (Would need to include the roompaks by the way.) That seems more fair. What do you think?

Thanks in advance for listening,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm not trying to argue, but please allow for a few comments.

MIR Pro's product sub-site

[....] $100 per additional license? (Would need to include the roompaks by the way.) That seems more fair.

For any RoomPack you own there's a 70% (!) reduction for each additional license already - which means that you would have to pay 74 Euro for RoomPack 2, for example. Fair enough? 😉

-> http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1687/364/2062/1747.htm

Kind regards,

Hi Dietz,

Thank you for your comments. Your web site presentation seems clear now; I hope you can appreciate the frustration of those of us who were early adopters and were not warned in such a way. Early adopters are generally not hasty readers.

So if I want to use MIR on a 2nd computer, you're proposing I license a copy of MIR Pro 24 which is 395 Euro and to be able to use all three roompaks I would pay another 74 Euro each for roompaks 2 and 3. Isn't that getting close to 550 Euro?

That seems like a lot of money when all I want to do is use multiple computers together on the same project.

I request that Vienna give this further consideration; perhaps a promotion for existing MIR Pro users to buy a combination MIR PRo 24 license and roompak licenses for a lower fee for this purpose. Maybe the fee could be set even lower for those who own a certain amount of other Vienna products.

Thanks for listening,

Steve

I understand your request for lower prices (who wouldn't ...), and I will take care that VSL's marketing team takes note. Apart from that I would just repeat what I've already explained in my previous messages. :-)

Kind regards,

Steve, I'd like to add a couple comments to your discussion: comparing MIR Pro to VE Pro is sort of like comparing apples and oranges.  They are two different programs with two different purposes.  The different purposes of the two programs were probably clearer in the "old" days of MIR and VE Pro 4, where MIR did not require VE Pro, and in fact could not run under or with VE Pro. 

While designed as a general mixing host, VE Pro 4 was not designed as the elegant "one step" solution that was intended with MIR.  The fact that the two programs were entirely separate made the distinction easier.  MIR Pro and VE Pro 5 are still, in essence, two separate programs with different intents.  The fact that MIR Pro now requires VE Pro 5 in order to run blurs that distinction in terms of work flow/operations.  Nevertheless, the purpose of the two programs remains distinct.

From a business standpoint (though of course I have no access to VSL's financial data), given the time it took to create MIR and then, MIR Pro, I strongly suspect that it has one of the highest development costs of anything VSL has produced (creating "new concept" programs tends to require considerably more funds).  In contrast, the basic concepts of VE Pro 5, at least in terms of routing abilities, IIRC, goes back to the VE 3 days... i.e. several years ago.  Its core is based on older concepts, unlike MIR which is definitely "new".

While VEPro and MIR are separate products, are sold and marketed as a comprehensive solution.  That being said, Steve is not asking for 2 more free licenses for MIR, as is included with VEPro, but rather discounted additional licenses.  Many software programs do this and many do not. Usually, those that do allow for additional license discounts are those companies that are thinking of how their users work and their users needs as well as the cost of the product.

It seems to me wise to option to offer a discounted additional license version of MIR for secondary computers, for 25-30% of the cost of the first unit.  It would actually likely lead to more sales, with people buying more licenses for their other VEPro computers to give themselves more mixing options.  The way it is done now, it seems to me they are just making it easy for themselves to lose a sale, rather than see the opportunity to create additional sales.

jaime