@civilization 3 said:
notate this, then: accurately to the point I could get people to perform every pitch, every nuance of rhythm just so: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18778361/25.%20SPACED.mp3
This is an electronic-music track you MORON!! [Sorry, this is a polite forum.] You don't notate that!! What does it have to do with orchestral/symphonic music, or even its virtualization (even if there are instrumental samples in this)?!?!? Symphonic, orchestral, instrumental (what else do I call it?!) music is and always has been my preoccupation here - whether you could "get" that or not...(well, 'not', as it happened). Be that as it may, a lot of what is in the foreground and some parts in the background are perfectly notatable, especially when you allow for glissando lines and some modern notation. Can't you tell??
However, and I don't know whether the track is yours, I was doing stuff like that during my first year at university for my Electronic Composition major (in my 2nd year I did better of course). This isn't to say "I am a better composer than you"; it is to tell you that I know what's involved, and I used to know (it's been decades almost) how to build something like that from scratch (from just a sine wave) through writing code, instead of using ready-made sounds and just tweaking them... Why am I saying all this? You always - arrogantly - assert that all I understand (or like) is dated, dead music, and that I'm reactionary to anything that isn't that and - allegedly - challenges me.
That's how much you know about music and about me... I have admitted that you know much more in terms of studio set-up and machines and softwares talking to one another through cables and the ether; in short, that you are a superior studio technician to me. I never meant that you could approximate my knowledge in the actual creative aspects of academic electronic music (yes, I don't mean head-bobbing DJ crap, to which I am blissfully indifferent). Just because I prefer to write for acoustic instruments it doesn't mean that I am ignorant of other musical areas; I just have my preferences, and of course my own opinions regarding their worth (my prerogative, as is yours when dismissing all the classics).
I am not going to address anything else, as my debating skills have been proven time and again to be far above and beyond anything you could ever comprehend. Enjoy your meek ignorance and writing your straw-inspired tracks.
ADDENDUM: It occurred to me that you might think you have proven your point regarding a perceivable incongruity - false as it happens - between my signature and what I am saying above; i.e. that there is in fact music that can be one's own, without the possibility/need of traditionally notating it. NO! I also put MIDI in my signature, which is a broad way of saying that in any case, one has to be responsible for every - or as many as possible - musical event(s) in one's own composition, even if the music is the result of an algorithmic/mathematical/controlled-indeterminacy process (also encompassing in that way serious electronic composition). One has to be able to either notate, play, or program/generate as much of the musical material as possible, by oneself. If orks just collate block musical phrases and chunks that someone else came up with and recorded, and then just thatch(!!) them together with some puerile/insignificant materials of their own, then they are just deluding themselves, and damaging everybody else.